ESS 550 Kit.. Tuned by Mike Benvo

[nullrouted]

Originally Posted by SickeM3

BOLD Please answer the questions that you just said you would answer. You are responding, but not answering, there is a difference

Yeah dude, I'm sure he'll get right on sending you his pay stubs and receipts for purchases. Who the hell do you think you are, the M3Post IRS? LMFAO.

[larryn]

Originally Posted by SickeM3

You would be wrong, and also ignoring the fact that Evolve is not posting here because benzo cant defend himself here. THAT speaks volumes and screams credibility- taking the fight, that they were dragged into, to benvos turf so that he has the opportunity to respond and still chooses not to says everything we need to know about who is lying and who is not

Go ahead, bloody the water. I'm out and don't care to watch you. I have a strong stomach, but this is wrong, and folk caught up in it obviously can't see this from being too close to it.

[THE TECH]

Originally Posted by SickeM3

fueling the drama is responding without posting the concrete data that was supposed to be, I would like to end it. Either they post what they said they had and shut us all up; we go back to an informational thread and discuss the tuning aspect

-OR- they refuse to post concrete/factual information but try to save face and respond without answering the requests and THAT fuels it.

Not sure what concrete data would appease people anyway. A dyno doesn't prove anything beyond power and air/fuel ratio for the most part. It doesn't prove that Mike made the tune himself which is what is really in question here. There are no sets of facts that will please everyone.

[1MOREMOD]

still at it i see. i agree with tech the things being asked for dont prove what we are looking for. that would require disclosing of emails between ess, mike and evolve. That still may not paint the picture.

[happos2]

Post 564!!! WOW!

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by THE TECH

Correct. Most people in the thread have zero facts of the matter and only opinion. I am not going to address people's opinions let alone being slandered with zero facts of the matter.

I'm sure your business will considerably suffer because of this. As a business partner, you might want to consider what legal remedies are at your disposal to protect what may be left of it. You might want to immediately dissolve your partnership to limit the collateral damage of the inevitable fall out.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by Marco@McKennaPerformance

You are correct, the proper equipment to perform bench flow injector tests does cost thousands of dollars, but no where did anyone claim Mike Benvo or BPM Sport performed these tests in-house.

Did anyone care to think he may have outsourced this service to a professional shop who specializes in that service?

A long-term client of Mike's contacted him in regards to tuning a supercharger system he purchased. What's the issue with that?

When someone purchases a supercharger, they don't agree to only utilize the manufacturer's software. All they did was agree to buy the supercharger hardware, that's it!

We all have personal preferences, and the OP's preference is clearly BPM Sport. So please stop slandering Mike and his company with false information and ridiculous accusations.

Thanks,
Marco

Is this test still needed if you're gonna steal a proven and tested tune from another company?

[lsmkr01]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

still at it i see. i agree with tech the things being asked for dont prove what we are looking for. that would require disclosing of emails between ess, mike and evolve. That still may not paint the picture.

100% agree

Originally Posted by regular guy

I'm sure your business will considerably suffer because of this. As a business partner, you might want to consider what legal remedies are at your disposal to protect what may be left of it. You might want to immediately dissolve your partnership to limit the collateral damage of the inevitable fall out.

Jump ship because some he said she said talk? Your acting like Sal is the Lord himself! He along with every other guy tied in one form or another to ESS has reason to slander another competitor. This crappy court of public opinion that's going on here is straight BS. Either PROVE SOMETHING or move on. I can only image how fast this thread would have been locked had it been everyone mug slinging ESS with zero evidence.

Most you guys sound like straight women in here.

[sales@ESSTuning]

Here is what we have as facts up to this point as to the supercharger file we were sent and its source.

The file we were sent was our file and was read out from our customers car. This file was encoded with the customers VIN so it was very easy for us to track down the original source.

The file that was stolen was read from the actual car as factory EWS info was encoded in the file.

The original customer of this file gave a 3rd party tuner remote access to his car for euro MDM coding after his supercharger kit was installed.

The 3rd party tuner the customer gave remote access to is the same tuner who sent the file out over email to another party around this same time period.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by lsmkr01

100% agree

we have gone down the rabbit hole when im the voice of reason!

Most you guys sound like straight women in here.

I prefer bisexual ones!

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by lsmkr01

100% agree


Most you guys sound like straight women in here.

we have fallen down the rabbit hole when i am the voice of reason!

I prefer bisexual ones!

[唷靠M3]

Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

Here is what we have as facts up to this point as to the supercharger file we were sent and its source.

The file we were sent was our file and was read out from our customers car. This file was encoded with the customers VIN so it was very easy for us to track down the original source.

The file that was stolen was read from the actual car as factory EWS info was encoded in the file.

The original customer of this file gave a 3rd party tuner remote access to his car for euro MDM coding after his supercharger kit was installed.

The 3rd party tuner the customer gave remote access to is the same tuner who sent the file out over email to another party around this same time period.

Sorry, trying to get this straight. So your saying that a remote access during the MDM coding allowed the third party to read ESS files that were encoded? Why so easy to crack the files?

[Yellow Snow]

All this talk of legal proceedings against tuners who copy maps owned by other tuning companies.

Isn't it BMW who own the rights to the software and all tuners simply add their tweaks? Are these tuned files patented to anyone? I doubt it.

Afaik, most tuners buy base maps from Ruben and adjust them to suit. Lets face it, most tuners will love to take a peek at what another tuner has done to their re incarnation of the BMW file.

Would any tuner on here honestly say they have no interest in seeing a competitors file?

I'm sure that when they pickup on a certain aspect of the tune that they like, it will be added to their own file.

It's called evolution, and I'm pretty sure that over time we will all benefit from better tunes because of it.

Why people are knocking these companies is beyond me. They are all competing in an open market and hopefully it's us the end users who will benefit.

[NELSON.MLGB]

Originally Posted by 唷靠M3

Sorry, trying to get this straight. So your saying that a remote access during the MDM coding allowed the third party to read ESS files that were encoded? Why so easy to crack the files?

If you have computer engineering background and some basic tuning knowledge, unlock a locked file is a piece of cake.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

Here is what we have as facts up to this point as to the supercharger file we were sent and its source.

The file we were sent was our file and was read out from our customers car. This file was encoded with the customers VIN so it was very easy for us to track down the original source.

The file that was stolen was read from the actual car as factory EWS info was encoded in the file.

The original customer of this file gave a 3rd party tuner remote access to his car for euro MDM coding after his supercharger kit was installed.

The 3rd party tuner the customer gave remote access to is the same tuner who sent the file out over email to another party around this same time period.

Is it possible to read out the tuning info from the DME using only a coding cable?

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by 唷靠M3

Sorry, trying to get this straight. So your saying that a remote access during the MDM coding allowed the third party to read ESS files that were encoded? Why so easy to crack the files?

Any tuner who is plugged into a vehicles OBD with the right interface / software can read out any info they want unless the ECU is tuner protected. This particular car was flashed before tuner protection was available.

[DansM]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

You don't have to proof anything, and nobody is attacking your word or integrity . We are questioning BPM's integrity, and I think the verdict is in, people will say it is politics, conspiracies, etc...

I am amazed however how you are completely ignoring Sal's statements, and many, many comments from Evolve on the other forum. The reason Sal isn't posting here is out of respect to Mike since he can't comment here due to the ban. Maybe you decided that reading Sal's statement has no bearing on this issue. If you choose to look the other way, good for you.

But Roman posted here as well, and you choose to ignore that post entirely as well.

It's just weird to me, since you are the one who really got screwed in the end. You are the one who got lied to in the first place. It's like a tuner's version of the Stockholm Syndrome.

how do I not have proof of anything? and how am I screwed in the end? contrary to the belief, Mike took a while to tune it wasn't just 2-3 days it took weeks and he was always updating me with how he was approaching it, where he was in the tuning process, how he was calculating injector scaling and the relationship between boost and AFR as well as timing.

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by Bmw135er

Is it possible to read out the tuning info from the DME using only a coding cable?

If you have the right software yes it can.

[lsmkr01]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

we have fallen down the rabbit hole when i am the voice of reason!

I prefer bisexual ones!

HAHA I think all the years on this forum have turner your mind to mush. I found some old post by you a few years ago and they actually gave off the impression you knew something of value

[唷靠M3]

I have so much respect for some of the people on here now! LOL

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

If you have the right software yes it can.

Ok thanks, I was just curious. I though it could not be done and thats why tuners and coders used 2 different cables depending on what is being performed.

[Xx__xs]

Originally Posted by larryn

What I don't get is people who are messed up enough to groove on this as entertainment so as to burn livelihoods/companies. That's really fricked up to me. This isn't a TV show. It's real life.

real world actions carry real life consequences!