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btw, the z06 is a fair comparison. the m3 seat 4 and weight much more, so it is always at a disadvantage. keep that in mind too when you compare car. |
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it doesn't matter really. my main point was that it strange he bought the m3 instead of the cayman. anyone who can afford m3 can afford the cayman s or regular 911 no problem. but many don't think they are worth it based on performance, price, and practicality. Majority don't like them due to the look as well.
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Read my post #44 in this thread. Seems people have a hard time either staying on topic or with reading comprehension It would be also nice if people would explain their choices as well, other than just say "m3 hands down" or "Porsche all the way"..And I'm not offended or upset. Maybe a bit frustrated for reasons mentioned above.
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08-30-2009, 10:44 PM | #94 | |
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as for you saying the cayman s is a faster track toy than the m3, then why this? for the car that is cheaper, look on par or even more aggressive, and seat 4, heavier by a few hundred pounds, and outperform the cayman s on this track (regards as the standard to test a car track capability) by a good 5 seconds. All of a sudden the m3 is the way better car. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times i noticed the m3 is right there with the r8 in the nur lap time as well, 1 sec slower than the r8. some mags even put the m3 in the same handling comparison to car as r8, gtr, etc. That speaks something about the engineer put into the m3. |
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Could a grandma handle the Cayman? Yeah, but she could equally handle an M3, an EVO and a shit load of other cars, including a GT3. What you should have said is the basic layout of the Cayman S is less of a challenge to me personally and I much prefer my experiences to be more raw like that of the GT3. Saying this would not have created the amount of comments and head scratching that myself and others wondered by your original comments. Hopefully this explains why I seem-ably gave you such a hard time. Quote:
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Yeah it's slow in acceleration but it still behaves like a Porsche, in other words, being a Porsche turned this big SUV into the best handler of it's type which is usually what happens when the Porsche badge ends up on the bonnet. |
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To overtake a car on a track day does not prove anything as the car in front could have been driven by a pussy!
People talk about handling who have not got a clue what makes a car handle well in the first place. The bmw 3 series range has always had a huge design advantage in its 50:50 weight distribution which makes it so much more balanced on road or track than any porsche can hope for. I have owned and driven many porsche's and enjoyed them a lot and to get the best from them is a good challenge.But a car that allows itself to be driven fast with ease will always win a handling test and races too. Afew years ago bmw entered the nurburgring 24 hour race two years running wit am m3 v8 the gtr and won so convincingly witn 500 bhp and a five speed manual box and was pitted against audi porsche etc etc and many of those with a lot more power and sequential gearboxes but the bmw's just blitzed all the competion due to the driveability of the car. |
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I have a lot of friends who owned csl bmw's and sold them to own a 911 and have all now sold the 911's and gone back to csl's or new m3's as the handling and balance is far superior.None of these people said that the porsche gt3's or tubo's or 911's were crap as they offer a different type of driver owner experience.Some of these people have raced professionally and instructed too and driven everything from a fiat 500 to a veyron so they have no personal interest in giving bullshit opinions.
Because you own a car does not mean that it is best just that you prefer it better than others. All of the cars discussed on this thread would give most people the thrill of their lives so i would say we are lucky to own any of them. |
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The zr6 is indeed a seriously quick piece of kit in terms of pace and now seems to handle well too.
It is built to the lowest build quality standards i have seen for a long time,the interior looks like it was built from a plastic piggy bank and the exterior can be pushed in by a 2 year old especially the rear end hence why it can be bought for much less than its european rivals. do they still run on leafsprings? |
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There is a difference between quotes and facts.
Urbo 73 would you like to expand on what you disagree with in what you have highlighted and why? As an owner of a new m3 i would have thought you would have appreciated the reasons i mentioned in my text! |
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Yes I have, to the extent that it is probably a different car now for sure with greatly improved dynamics and performance.
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What have you done and what sorts of cost was involved over there as most mods over here are ridiculously expensive.Mine is lowered with a remap air filter remus exhaust.no engine mods though.ive got some brembo 8 pot front and four pot rear brakes coming with 380 mm discs on the front.then just going to put some oz's on so i can put some cup sport tyres on and maybe some recarro cs front seats
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08-31-2009, 11:18 AM | #110 | |
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I'm not saying handling/performance is not important, but they are just a tiny aspect of any car purchase decision. |
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