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e.g The only place that seems to advertise a price now in the UK for BE bearings is AReeve, they want £737 for BE bearings! (up by £137 from 3 yrs ago!), that's $887 at current rates (all prices here include tax). A quick look finds that ACL bearings are going for £209 ($252) from Rebuild, £215 from AReeve. That said, they are either std clearance (H) or extra clearance (HX, but too much at +0.001") or unmeasured mixed sets, so to match BE clearances you do need to have mixed sets precision measured (like BE do) and not just buy mixed sets. But even with the extra costs that involves, it's still way cheaper than buying BE here. When I did it 2+ yrs ago I had to get Mporium (yes from the US!lol) to sell me a mixed and measured set as I couldn't find anyone here who did (AFAIK their still isn't). Including getting BE ARP bolts, shipping, taxes and the measured mixed ACL bearings it cost me £712 ($857), where as for the ARP bolts and BE bearings it would've cost me £949 ($1142) from Areeve! (at the time). And ACL are perfectly decent bearings too. Last I looked though, I understand the price difference is much smaller in the US.
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IIRC, the probabilities of dangers are a lot higher danger than one might think. That's why I say that it's pure insanity to install unmeasured shells on the S65/S85. Quote:
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I get it that BE is the best out there, no arguments. But are you saying that ACL H or HX is even worse than stock bearings?
Or can I at least assume that ACL HX (off the shelf, non-measured) is better than stock, but not as good as BE? |
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I would add that: would it be insanity to put OEM bearings without measuring too?
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1. The clearance is the issue, not the quality. According to ACL spec sheets, ACL H target the same clearance specs as OEM. 2. The original OEM shells were Clevite. The replacement is Glyco. In a quality of materials question for S65, this would be my ranking order of quality, leaving clearances aside: Clevite, King, Glyco, ACL. Some question still swirls around King specs. That question will definitevely be answered in the near future. Quote:
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I recall somebody complaining about spinning his king rod bearings but it looked like a case of user error. The set he used required reworking the rods prior to install and that instruction was missed.
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This is the exact question that we're hoping to answer soon. I think King has since removed that instruction from their data sheet. Bert @ BE has a very early set of King Bearings, and a set bought a week ago. It will be easy to measure and tell if the spec has changed, or whether that was even a requirement at all.
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I've just had a look now (btw their website's security certificate lapsed near the end of February), the bearings cost ~£516, although that doesn't include shipping (the shipping estimator doesn't work for me in Firefox either). The bolts cost £258, so without shipping that's £774. (Interestingly, converting the $ price to £ with today's exchange rate it comes out at ~£747). Taking the higher figure (the one from BE's site) and adding VAT (tax @20%), that's ~£929, +3.5% import duty (it's close to that figure), that's ~£962 [edit. I forgot to add ~2.5% for foreign exchange commission by the banks]. (UK prices incl VAT, unless they say otherwise). Areeve are £1106 for BE bearings and bolts! (not including shipping either). So buying directly from BE is considerably cheaper now! But still a fair bit more than I paid for mixed and measured ACLs. You pays your money and takes your choices I guess! Re unmeasured and mixed ACL sets, I'm surprised there's that bigger a difference (but then again, I know deansbimmer has said similar. Btw, he thinks 'ACL bearings are excellent' ). I guess because you don't know if you're getting a thick 1/2 set with a thin 1/2 set? Which might well be ok, or a thick 1/2 set (of H's) with a thick 1/2 set (of HX's), which probably wouldn't be ok! Will be interesting to see Bert's figures.
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I wondered if it was ad-blocker missing things up, but I turned it off and it made no difference. Certificate is good now though .
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(Didn't see any customer number, perhaps because I didn't attempt to buy??).
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