Alcon BBK via Bimmerworld or AP Racing Pro 5000R?

DRLane · 07-12-2022, 12:47 AM

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I sent Jeff a note to inquire about the other sizes and whether they fit the Essex hat. Obviously I'd order from them anyhow, so hope it's not a point of contention.

There's speculation the PCD is 240mm for Essex, thus the better rotor ring is the 378mm x 36mm options which are also 240mm vs what I referenced previously (375mm x 36mm) which was 241mm.

I think it's weight (several pounds per rotor), and having a custom spec that locks you into their package?

From our discussion in Discord, my friend has an M2 with AP racing 372x34mm and replaced his rotors with non-AP Racing rotor rings with PCD 240mm.

The weight difference between 378x36 vs 372x34 is about 1.5lbs per side.

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Curious about this. Has anyone with 9660/9668 fronts moved from 372x34 to 378x36?

Devin DRLane, You end up reaching out to Jeff?

Yes, he responded. Basically told me the 378x36 would be cost prohibitive because they order the 372 in volume. Didn't offer the 380 as an option even though that would fit the caliper and Is obviously used with some if their other chassis kits hence the price / volume dilemma should be moot. But I didn't follow up. He instead emphasized the 372 as the best value, weight, and that they've increased its surface thickness improving durability.

Adrian g. · 07-12-2022, 09:09 PM

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What about rebuild kits? Something we desperately need considering nothing is out there anymore for our brakes. I have yet to hear back from PFC regarding this.

I also have rebuild kits. When I need something for my two PFC kits I just call BimmerWorld and that's it.

Despite all the gloom and doom I've heard on forums about PFC for almost a decade, when I need pads/rotors/rebuilds/etc I call BW and they have whatever I need

The PFC ZR54 kit used by the M235i/M240i race cars uses the same rings and pads, so availability should be fine for quite a while.

nicksm3 · 07-18-2022, 09:34 AM

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The PFC ZR54 kit used by the M235i/M240i race cars uses the same rings and pads, so availability should be fine for quite a while.

Great Thank you!

omgzirra_exe · 07-19-2022, 02:08 AM

HA big dummy me did NOT realize this thread existed. yet I asked the stupid question on discord. ty for this,

SYT_Shadow · 07-20-2022, 07:39 PM

Good things come to those who wait!

Four boxes showed up today and it's the alcons! I'll leave some quick pics here, it'll be a while before we can install them.
Overall they look silver and some areas are a full out mirror, so cool!! Worth the wait!

reidetailing · 07-20-2022, 07:59 PM

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Good things come to those who wait!

Four boxes showed up today and it's the alcons! I'll leave some quick pics here, it'll be a while before we can install them.
Overall they look silver and some areas are a full out mirror, so cool!! Worth the wait!

Absolutely incredible...can't wait to order a set for Project Sky...thank goodness the lettering is not red.

The white is much more appealing to me!

Enjoy SYT!

VAC_M3 · 07-20-2022, 11:57 PM

I’ve got a set of these coming from BW. Alcon happened to have an extra set of the nickel plated calipers. Shipping out this week. Thanks for the pics

omgzirra_exe · 07-21-2022, 12:43 AM

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Good things come to those who wait!

Four boxes showed up today and it's the alcons! I'll leave some quick pics here, it'll be a while before we can install them.
Overall they look silver and some areas are a full out mirror, so cool!! Worth the wait!

let me buy one before I order for bimmer world haha.

what pads will you be using? I'm leaning to XP20/XP8 or Xp12/xp8

SYT_Shadow · 07-21-2022, 08:20 AM

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let me buy one before I order for bimmer world haha.

what pads will you be using? I'm leaning to XP20/XP8 or Xp12/xp8

I'll run the PFC 331/332 combo

nicksm3 · 07-23-2022, 09:44 PM

Those are gorgeous! now....whats the weight difference from the PFC's?

SYT_Shadow · 07-23-2022, 10:48 PM

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Those are gorgeous! now....whats the weight difference from the PFC's?

No idea. The PFC was a pretty perfect system, but it's no longer available for purchase as a BBK, only spares.

If I had PFC I wouldn't swap to the Alcons.

omgzirra_exe · 07-24-2022, 02:53 AM

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I'll run the PFC 331/332 combo

i think ill be okay with the Xp12/xp10 combo since I'm not really that fast of a driver

reidetailing · 07-24-2022, 09:46 AM

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I’ve got a set of these coming from BW. Alcon happened to have an extra set of the nickel plated calipers. Shipping out this week. Thanks for the pics

Who did you speak with there?

I've been trying to get a set of these for a couple months.
Spoke with Henry, and a couple other guys, and they said they don't know when they'll be ready.

VAC_M3 · 07-26-2022, 10:44 PM

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Who did you speak with there?

I've been trying to get a set of these for a couple months.
Spoke with Henry, and a couple other guys, and they said they don't know when they'll be ready.

Phil Wurz is who I was in contact with at BW. I think it was pretty dam lucky they had a nickel plated set ready to ship.

omgzirra_exe · 07-27-2022, 03:12 PM

not as fancy as the nickel plated version.

tsk94 · 07-28-2022, 03:20 PM

I got a 'standard' set as well in boxes waiting to go on.. Within the next few weeks hopefully.

SYT_Shadow · 07-28-2022, 04:04 PM

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I got a 'standard' set as well in boxes waiting to go on.. Within the next few weeks hopefully.

Very exciting!! Good luck with the install!

omgzirra_exe · 07-28-2022, 05:02 PM

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I got a 'standard' set as well in boxes waiting to go on.. Within the next few weeks hopefully.

me too, im waiting for a pallet delivery of motul fluid at work so i can take some. lol

motorhead_02 · 07-31-2022, 11:46 PM

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I got a 'standard' set as well in boxes waiting to go on.. Within the next few weeks hopefully.

me too, im waiting for a pallet delivery of motul fluid at work so i can take some. lol

I think I am doing something wrong in my life, maybe because I was bitching for years about Stoptech paint quality 😩However I was really impressed by Alcons, but the paint of the logo went somewhere after first few sessions. I am still have air cooling so the heat wasnt an issue

MaX PL · 08-01-2022, 07:14 PM

No you're not the only one. My front drivers paint is all gone on my Alcon. Was almost entirely gone after one track day. My passengers front is almost fully gone as well.

The rears are somewhat holding on after 6 events but the front paint is toast.

Bimmerworld said Alcon will take them back for repaint but I'm not sure it's worth it if it'll just happen again.

reidetailing · 08-01-2022, 08:58 PM

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I think I am doing something wrong in my life, maybe because I was bitching for years about Stoptech paint quality 😩However I was really impressed by Alcons, but the paint of the logo went somewhere after first few sessions. I am still have air cooling so the heat wasnt an issue

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No you're not the only one. My front drivers paint is all gone on my Alcon. Was almost entirely gone after one track day. My passengers front is almost fully gone as well.

The rears are somewhat holding on after 6 events but the front paint is toast.

Bimmerworld said Alcon will take them back for repaint but I'm not sure it's worth it if it'll just happen again.

Motorhead and MaX, did you both just get the new Alcon Nickel Plated kit and this happened?

motorhead_02 · 08-01-2022, 09:00 PM

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I think I am doing something wrong in my life, maybe because I was bitching for years about Stoptech paint quality 😩However I was really impressed by Alcons, but the paint of the logo went somewhere after first few sessions. I am still have air cooling so the heat wasnt an issue

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No you're not the only one. My front drivers paint is all gone on my Alcon. Was almost entirely gone after one track day. My passengers front is almost fully gone as well.

The rears are somewhat holding on after 6 events but the front paint is toast.

Bimmerworld said Alcon will take them back for repaint but I'm not sure it's worth it if it'll just happen again.

Motorhead and MaX, did you both just get the new Alcon Nickel Plated kit and this happened?

No , ours are not nickel plated ones

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