Quick question..Competition Package=no speed governor?

Rat3d ///M · 10-19-2014, 03:18 PM

The owner of the M3 I am picking up in a few weeks said in his ad that it is a Competition Package, and therefore has no speed limiter. Was this a feature for the 2011 ZCP's? I have never read that anywhere, and have searched a few times for this information.

Gossypiboma · 10-19-2014, 03:33 PM

Nope, not in the US at least

Helmsman · 10-19-2014, 03:36 PM

There is a so called M Drivers package that readjust the limit from 250 to 280 (+drivers/track course) Might only be on conjunction with Comp Pack, not sure but mine was ordered with both.

Cheers

DBH · 10-19-2014, 05:22 PM

M3's sold in the USA are limited by BMW to 155mph or ~246kph.

Some aftermarket software (I have Dinan) removes the top speed governor. Dinan software also increases the rev limit to 8600 from 8400 with a small increase in horsepower and torque.

Petros · 10-19-2014, 10:28 PM

the M driver package I believe is a Europe only option. You get an increased speed limiter and also some M driver training courses on the track. I think it cost $2000 or something like that. I remember it was insanely overpriced for what it offered.

I think it's actually possible to remove the speed limiter yourself if you're well versed in coding

jphughan · 10-19-2014, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Petros

the M driver package I believe is a Europe only option. You get an increased speed limiter and also some M driver training courses on the track. I think it cost $2000 or something like that. I remember it was insanely overpriced for what it offered.

I think it's actually possible to remove the speed limiter yourself if you're well versed in coding

Speed limiter isn't coding; it's a DME tune, which is much more involved.

Rat3d ///M · 10-20-2014, 05:12 AM

Thanks for the replies. My car was originally purchased in Germany from a German dealer, and has never been to the US (though it is US Spec, it has been a German car it's whole life) so I thought maybe it might have had the M Drivers package. Just checked the build sheet on the vin decoder website and it looks like it doesn't. Not sure why the owner thought it had it.

No big deal. 155 is fast enough on the Autobahn, and not even achievable on US roads so I'm not at all upset about it.

Edward · 10-20-2014, 02:42 PM

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No big deal. 155 is fast enough on the Autobahn, and not even achievable on US roads so I'm not at all upset about it.

You win.

grantmax · 10-20-2014, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward

You win.

Why does he win?

155mpg is achievable.

1MOREMOD · 10-20-2014, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by grantmax

155mpg is achievable.

Not yet it isnt.

grantmax · 10-20-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

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Originally Posted by grantmax

155mpg is achievable.

Not yet it isnt.

Ooooh. Right.

Flying Ace · 10-20-2014, 10:20 PM

I thought ZCPs adds 15 HP?

slicer · 10-21-2014, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I thought ZCPs adds 15 HP?

No

jphughan · 10-21-2014, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I thought ZCPs adds 15 HP?

That's on the M5/6.

TVMA Doc · 10-21-2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBoosting

Nope, not in the US at least

I believe that the limited was placed for the EU so that applies in Europe as well.

TVMA Doc · 10-21-2014, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

I thought ZCPs adds 15 HP?

No, but you can slap on a few stickers for after market parts and get those extra 15 hp. Alternately, adding an AMG badge should work.

TVMA Doc · 10-21-2014, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Not yet it isnt.

I guess that it depends upon which track you take the car to. For public roads, 155 shouldn't be reached under pretty much any circumstances I can consider.

1MOREMOD · 10-21-2014, 12:47 PM

He said mpg.

Kurt_OH · 10-21-2014, 10:30 PM

When I picked up my E90 M3 in Munich, another US customer was there picking up their E93 M3. They took it out and up to an indicated 169mph while in Germany ...

Not sure I buy the "limited to 155 no matter what for US-bound cars" statement.

1MOREMOD · 10-21-2014, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

When I picked up my E90 M3 in Munich, another US customer was there picking up their E93 M3. They took it out and up to an indicated 169mph while in Germany ...

Not sure I buy the "limited to 155 no matter what for US-bound cars" statement.

This has been discussed to death, indicated speed isn't the same as real GPS speed. M3 is notoriously ambitious about the speed it shows on speedometer.

BPMSport · 10-22-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

When I picked up my E90 M3 in Munich, another US customer was there picking up their E93 M3. They took it out and up to an indicated 169mph while in Germany ...

Not sure I buy the "limited to 155 no matter what for US-bound cars" statement.

169 indicated is about 155 in real speed. For those interested we can remove the limiter completely.

Helmsman · 10-22-2014, 02:48 AM

....or code the digital speedometer to show GPS/true speed. Done in a blink with for instance BMWhat and works perfect.

Cheers

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Rat3d ///M 997.1TT 1065 Rep 1,672 Posts Drives: 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany iTrader: (1)	Thanks for the replies. My car was originally purchased in Germany from a German dealer, and has never been to the US (though it is US Spec, it has been a German car it's whole life) so I thought maybe it might have had the M Drivers package. Just checked the build sheet on the vin decoder website and it looks like it doesn't. Not sure why the owner thought it had it. No big deal. 155 is fast enough on the Autobahn, and not even achievable on US roads so I'm not at all upset about it.
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Kurt_OH Captain 12 Rep 734 Posts Drives: E90 M3 ZCP Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus, OH iTrader: (0)	When I picked up my E90 M3 in Munich, another US customer was there picking up their E93 M3. They took it out and up to an indicated 169mph while in Germany ... Not sure I buy the "limited to 155 no matter what for US-bound cars" statement. __________________ ... a glorious V8 that screamed and hollered as the revs rose and then howled in an orgy of what sounded like BDSM ecstasy as it neared the red line. Well, you can forget all that. The new car is fitted with a turbocharged straight six. Turbocharging? In an M car? That’s like putting gravy on an ice cream. - Jeremy Clarkson, discussing the S65 and then S55 M3 engines.
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