ESS 550 Kit.. Tuned by Mike Benvo

[chris s]

In light of recent developments, OP should change the title of this thread!

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by 8k3

Curious, who is the tuner for ESS then?

That's pretty common knowledge, it's AJ, he posts now and then.

[DansM]

I didn't change my initial idea of mikes tune? And there is nothing wrong
With the tune? This thread has gone to hell I don't even bother reading it anymore. A simple thread about MY personal experience with a specific tune has caused everyone to simultaneously go in their period. This is ridiculous. You want facts? Here they are-mike tuned it, running great, gonna post a dyno soon. Until then...put a tampon in.

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by SickeM3

Instead of arguing, how about you read up on the latest information dump and then see if you still feel like supporting your guy

Sigh . . . .

Originally Posted by biggynuts01

Drew, I dont even think hes a lawyer. Maybe a law student. I dont usually get involved in these personal debates but Hujan you come off as a DB. This is a car forum. Why sling around garbage law jargon and attempt to use it to threaten people? I and I am sure everyone else here has laywers in the family/friends. My brothers, sisters and inlaws are lawyers and they do not speak like that ...ever.

I used to speak like that when I was a student but I was just trying to memorize law terms for my exams. Keep the law garbage off the car forums.

When did I threaten someone? Show me once where I threatened to sue or said that BPM was going to sue? I was simply warning a poster to tread carefully. If anything, I want to avoid a situation where someone gets into trouble for a stupid post on the internet.

If you were a lawyer, you would know that the fact that this is a "car forum" does not give people license to make misrepresentations about companies. Arguably, it makes it worse. I can't, for example, come on here and say, "X company steals all their software from Y company," or "X company does not do any testing on its software" if it's not true. Just because it might happen frequently (though I haven't really seen it), doesn't make it okay.

[Verify]

Originally Posted by Hujan

When did I threaten someone? Show me once where I threatened to sue or said that BPM was going to sue? I was simply warning a poster to tread carefully. If anything, I want to avoid a situation where someone gets into trouble for a stupid post on the internet.


... I can't, for example, come on here and say, "X company steals all their software from Y company," or "X company does not do any testing on its software" if it's not true. ...

correct, if it wasn't true it would be a hard case.. BUT.. that's if it was not true.. You should probably follow my advice, rather me follow yours of treading lightly and playing with fire and whatever other insinuating comments you threw out there

..SIGH...

[Verify]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

No, Mike didn't tune it.

Yes he did, he's a cool guy and the butt dyno's say they made huge improvements with his tune.. Thats concrete evidence;how can you dispute that?

[kawasaki00]

I think at this point Benvo should just lay low for a while, he is not doing himself any favors on the BB site. He has created multiple user name accounts and I saw some of them are already in timeout with negative rep points.
I have suspected from day one that I started using Evolve that Benvo was involved with them as in they were sharing info and such. There was a time that Benvo was overseas and I suspected it was with the evolve crew, could be wrong though. At some point I guess it went south, sucks for everyone. Hopefully they can get it all worked out.
My opinion is if he wants to take someone elses tune and tweak it so be it, BUT you have to give credit where it is due from where you got it.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Hujan

There's so much wrong with this post, I don't even know where to begin. You clearly do not understand the difference between defamation and opinion, nor do you understand the exceptions that exist for criticism of public figures (like the President of the United States). It's funny that you (assume) I don't know "shit" about forced-induction applications on the S65, yet you do not hesitate to open your mouth and prove, with post after post, that you have virtually no grasp of very basic legal concepts.

I had no idea the President couldn't sue, lol Since you brought up Shampoo, how about if someone posts online that the shampoo they used makes their hair dry or fall out and that the shampoo maker has no real knowledge of how to make shampoo, or that they think the shampoo maker simply used someone else's shampoo formula and called it their own, is that libel to? I mean stop trying to find every angle to lawyer your way out of what someone is trying to get through to you, you can't be serious? FWIW I'm not an expert on the law, but one would hope there is common sense and most can see BS lawyer tactics when they come up, and attorney's certainly disagree on what words or actions could constitute libel or defamation.

Originally Posted by Hujan

But it all begins from the false premise that my pride/ego is at stake. You think I care that I am not an expert on forced-induction applications on the S65 engine? I'll be the first to admit it. Who cares? I don't have a dog in the fight. I just think it's BS for someone to act like they have "inside knowledge" about BPM, or any company for that matter, when they are just blowing smoke. I doubt very much that you'd be acting the same way if it was ESS that got flamed and not BPM.

Fair enough, maybe your ego is intact. Touché on your last point, but unlike you I know a thing or two on how FI works on the S65, you know legal jargon or work at some practice, or at least assert that you do, let's move along, I don't care to debate or discuss legal concepts with Hujan on a car forum, anymore, what you did was crossing the line IMHO.

This thread has ran it's course, I think we should all take a good look at what Sal posted on that other forum, it's pretty serious, or is that just blowing smoke in your eyes?

[signes]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

No, Mike didn't tune it.

This whole thing just got kicked up to a whole 'nother level.

[gatorfast]

Uh I guess Im a dummy...how do I find this other forum? The common search terms from this thread dont yield anything.

[Soorena]

OK i opened this thread and i saw lawsuits being discussed... just wow. I would have not been surprised at all with private pics of Benvo, Roman etc... But discussing lawsuit?? I have to admit i didn't have that in mind. This thread is low for sure, but not enough low to have law garbage.

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Again, do some googling and check the latest development on this.

The only thing I found is the thread on GB. Interesting reading if true. But it's hard to know who or what to believe, which is why the better practice is to avoid taking an affirmative position one way or another.

Frankly, the fighting, name calling, and accusations between tuners kind of saddens me and turns me off to the whole tuning scene no matter who's right.

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Fair enough, maybe your ego is intact. Touché on your last point, but unlike you I know a thing or two on how FI works on the S65, you know legal jargon or work at some practice, or at least assert that you do, let's move along, I don't care to debate or discuss legal concepts with Hujan on a car forum, anymore, what you did was crossing the line IMHO.

This thread has ran it's course, I think we should all take a good look at what Sal posted on that other forum, it's pretty serious, or is that just blowing smoke in your eyes?

I agree. Time to move on. My point to avoid stating things as facts about a company unless you can back them up is universal. It's a dangerous game and not worth the potential downsides. If you have inside info (and it seems several of you are confident you do), more power to you, though in my opinion the downsides still outweigh the benefits.

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

Uh I guess Im a dummy...how do I find this other forum? The common search terms from this thread dont yield anything.

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[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by Hujan

I agree. Time to move on. My point to avoid stating things as facts about a company unless you can back them up is universal. It's a dangerous game and not worth the potential downsides. If you have inside info (and it seems several of you are confident you do), more power to you, though in my opinion the downsides still outweigh the risks.

Fair enough and point taken. I hope we never disagree or at odds again, this is a lot of work.

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Fair enough. I hope we never disagree or at odds again, this is a lot of work.

You said it!

[pkimM3r]

so ESS accuses Evolve of stealing a tune from them, which made the news section on the other forum in January of this year, and now Evolve accuses Bpm from stealing a tune from ESS?

What the heck is going on in here? Hard to believe anyone.

[DansM]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

No, Mike didn't tune it.

Really? How do you know for certain? Do you have access to his personal computer? Have you seen and it read emails from him to me? Have you seen or heard of the logs he's done from other FI Ms? Do you know how long this has actually taken to get done the right way? Why would he outsource a tune and out his name on it? He did it himself, give the guy a break.

[mkPOTO]

Originally Posted by DansM

Really? How do you know for certain? Do you have access to his personal computer? Have you seen and it read emails from him to me? Have you seen or heard of the logs he's done from other FI Ms? Do you know how long this has actually taken to get done the right way? Why would he outsource a tune and out his name on it? He did it himself, give the guy a break.

I don't know if you want to go that path, from what it sounds like Mike asked Sal from Evolve for some help with your tune and sent him a file that was used by another company (unless I am reading it wrong)

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

so ESS accuses Evolve of stealing a tune from them, which made the news section on the other forum in January of this year, and now Evolve accuses Bpm from stealing a tune from ESS?

What the heck is going on in here? Hard to believe anyone.

First of all, don't believe a single thing that Sticky writes on front page. Lot's of BS has made it to front page as well. I was in that site, i know that. He creates drama, and drama attracts people. Simple as that.

Secondly, if you are talking about the time when Evolve tuned a ESS hardware for E46, ESS never accused Evolve of anything iirc. They were not pleased with such act, just like here.

Thirdly, this is tuning scene brother. Saints aren't welcomed in here.

Originally Posted by DansM

With the tune? This thread has gone to hell I don't even bother reading it anymore. A simple thread about MY personal experience with a specific tune has caused everyone to simultaneously go in their period. This is ridiculous. You want facts? Here they are-mike tuned it, running great, gonna post a dyno soon. Until then...put a tampon in.

Not to be a dick, but where were when people were asking for technical info? Things aren't looking very good my friend. In here you either create a thread with real facts, or basically you get a thread full of crap like this one if you just talk your "feeling". This whole BS thing wouldn't happen if you waited for your dyno numbers.
Again don't get me wrong, i have nothing against you just trying to tell you how to avoid shit storm.
And btw if you are happy with your car that's all that matters whether Benvo did the tuning part or not.

[chris s]

Originally Posted by DansM

Really? How do you know for certain? Do you have access to his personal computer? Have you seen and it read emails from him to me? Have you seen or heard of the logs he's done from other FI Ms? Do you know how long this has actually taken to get done the right way? Why would he outsource a tune and out his name on it? He did it himself, give the guy a break.

Wow...you're pretty green huh?

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by Soorena

First of, don't believe a single thing that Sticky writes on front page. Lot's of BS has made it to front page as well. I was in that site, i know that. He creates drama, and drama attracts people. Simple as that.

Secondly, if you are talking about the time when Evolve tuned a ESS hardware for E46, ESS never accused Evolve of anything iirc. They were not pleased with such act, just like here.

Thirdly, this is tuning scene bro. Saints aren't welcomed in here.

Not to be a dick, but where were when people were asking for technical info? Things aren't looking very good my friend. In here you either create a thread with real facts, or basically you get a thread full of crap like this one if you just talk your "feeling". This whole BS thing wouldn't happen if you waited for your dyno numbers.
Again don't get me wrong, i have nothing against you just trying to tell you how to avoid shit storm.
And btw if you are happy with your car that's all that matters whether Benvo did the tuning part or not.

What i got out of it is that m3 tuners dont like each other.

Never seen this previously that i am mind blown. Doesnt make me compelled to believe one more than the other at this rate is all im saying.

What does the future behold?????

[bubu]

Just read Sal's post on the "time out corner" board. Wow

If no one has already said it I'm saying it now...Mike Benvo is exactly what the "haters" have accused him off.

Powerchip 2.0 anyone? I called it early