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Hi, my name is Mike and I have a problem. I have the boost bug.
I'm looking for feedback from any Harrop owners out there, I have a couple specific questions: 1. Are there any common bugs with the Harrop system? Either preventable through maintenance or otherwise? 2. Do you have any regrets after jumping on this system?
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I've had one for a few months with some decent seat time. Biggest issues/quirks are as follows:
1. The boost transition around 3.5k is a little funky sometimes. To put it better in perspective: Quote:
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3. The factory tire sizes cannot hold the power and torque this thing produces. Second gear is useless with the supercharger if you floor it. Depending on the conditions, you'll roast the tires in 3rd as well. You will need to think about how to get more rubber on the rear. Depending on your wheel setup - you may need to change wheels to run them properly. That all being said, the rest of the kit is fantastic. Fit and finish is excellent. With the exception of quirk 1, its extremely smooth, and the power is great. Love the sound. I was expecting gas mileage to drop much more than it did. Do not regret getting the kit at all. Last edited by drwankel; 02-23-2021 at 05:24 PM.. |
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Thanks for the info, I read some of that in my research.
1. The issue sounds an awful lot like a torque dip/hesitation issue I encountered when I installed my Bimmerworld X-Pipe between 2500-3000 RPM. This was mostly solved by tuning from Alpine and Epic for NA cars with a forward biased, catless X. 2. All cats are long gone. Corsa rear should be here mid March. 3. I'm running 275/35 19 rears now, was planning to go to 285/30 19 when these die. Would 295 be better for the rear? Quote:
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With issue number 3, if you have 10" wide rears, 285/30s are really the widest you should be running. The problem is there isn't alot of tire selection in this size. Michelin PS4S is not available in this size for example. PSS is, but that's the older compound. You can run 295s on the rear, but its not ideal. That may be what I end up doing anyway, as I don't think going from a 265 to a 275 is going really improve things, and I really want my 2nd gear back. Last edited by drwankel; 02-23-2021 at 11:08 PM.. |
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You haven’t considered ESS G1 or VF ?
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https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1070943 Studying that thread should give you a good feel for what others have already experienced. Regarding your questions: 1 and 1.5: I have owned mine since late 2015 and have over 50K miles on my Harrop system. I recently encountered a bad electrical connection that was related to the poor quality of the shop installation. In my experience, there are no common bugs that I know of with the system (kit). Owners have mentioned some occasional lower speed drivability concerns, below or around the 3500RPM boost transition zone, and this is discussed in other posts. I have found this particular issue can be mitigated with throttle map selection (I use Sport). Additionally, increased E85 fuel concentration also seems to help (about E20+). The low speed drivability boost transition issue really isn’t that noticeable, except occasionally when the throttle position and RPMs ‘just happen’ to be exactly right. The Harrop “system” has turned out to be very robust indeed in my opinion. That being said the serpentine belt can slip if the belt tensioner is old (weak). A Gatorback style serpentine belt (Conti Elite) helped greatly reduce SC belt slippage on mine (also mentioned in the thread). One of the Harrop serpentine belt carrier bearings on my system has now become noisy (after 50K miles), but after removing and oiling, it is now much less noisy. Other owners (including me) have noticed what they thought was thermostat housing gasket coolant seepage - since the housing bolts are used in securing a carrier bracket. However, this issue turned out to be a worn header tank return hose (which needed replacing) rather than the gasket or thermostat housing itself. Overall, and in summary, the Harrop super charger system is a very robust and well-engineered kit well proven at the Nurburgring and on track. In order to avoid any disappointment, or issues later on down the road, I recommend choosing a high quality shop and preferably one that has installed a Harrop kit before. IF that is not possible - and you are mechanically capable, then consider installing the kit yourself. Become very familiar with the installation guide before making your choice of DIY or shop selection. This is very important. See installation guide file attached. In order to maximize your return on investment I recommend doing and/or considering most if not all of the following listed below: A) Install an X-Pipe where the primary CATS are removed and has 200 cells per square inch (CPSI) high flow cat secondaries with resonators. B) OR - if not A) above then Install a Catless, resonated X-Pipe C) Replace the spark plugs with either new OEM or one heat range colder as used by G-Power and other kits (see my signature for alternative NGK Racing plug specs). I already feel the heat for blaspheming against the OEM plugs. D) Can keep the stock OEM rear exhaust box to reduce costs if desired. E) Replace (renew) all four oxygen sensors F) Use a Continental Elite Gatorback serpentine pulley drive belt (see thread) G) Use a high flow air filter like the Piper-Cross (helicopter style so I’m told) H) Invest in some wider rear wheels; preferably 11X18 with ET 32. Put your OEM 9.5 inch wide rear wheels onto the front axle to reduce the cost of buying four new wheels. I) To increase mechanical rear axle grip install at least 295 section width summer tires of at least UTQG Treadwear = 300 or lower. I use 295/35R18 Michelin PSS. Combine the new tires with slightly lower cold inflation pressures to increase the size (surface area) of the contact patch (the size of which is simply the load on the tire divided by its inflation pressure). With the bigger tire carcass envelope, 32 psi cold seems to work okay for me. Though I have run lower at the cost of increased shoulder wear. J) Ensure differential oil and transmission oil are full and in good condition or relatively new. K) Ensure your rod bearings and engine mounts are either new, low mileage and/or in decent shape. L) Can add a couple of gallons of E85 to a full tank of 93 Octane E10 to get the most horsepower from the kit in my experience (especially in summer). 2) Regrets A) You will spend more money on fuel B) Tire consumption will increase C) While using drag radials, my DCT clutch started to slip so it had to be upgraded to SSP Spec-R D) SC whine was a bit loud for me so I blocked off the hood air box inlet and rely solely upon the front bumper air box inlet which quietened things down a bit. E) The 14-hour time difference between the USA and Australia, but now Harrop have a U.S. Sales office in Ohio for parts (if ever needed). 3) Smiles A) The Harrop kit will bring you many smiles. It makes the S65 V8 think it’s a V10. B) I once combined the Harrop with high grip drag radials on the street for extra giggles. C) On cooler days (say below 45F) this kit seems to find an extra 20 or 30 horsepower… D) Mike Benvo. He’s the best for customer service and help with the system. I’ve given you a lot here to think about. I hope this helps you and other people.
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Question regarding A and/or B, which brands/models can you suggest? I currently have Remus Race axleback which I love, but admittedly is a bit loud, I was thinking about adding a Fabspeed X-pipe. May I ask what exhaust setup you are running? EDIT: I guess I should've read your signature first! lol |
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I am already running a Bimmerworld X-Pipe (catless) soon to be paired with a Corsa exhaust. I have the ZCP 359M wheels, 10" rears so I *think* I can run 295/70 PS4S. All fluids are new as of last winter (10k km ago) along with new upstream O2 and plugs which would get replaced next winter as part of my schedule. E85 and 93 octane are not options around here and likely never will be so I'm definitely limited there.
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In for the response for belt info as well, needing to get one of these too.
Also I asked Mike Benvo specifically about the plugs and possible need for a cooler model and he assured me that stock were perfectly fine for street use. I have had to use cooler plugs in other SC applications before so was curious.
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From what I could find in my research:
Belt size is 6PK1905. Goodyear/Conti Elite part number is: 4060750 I believe Goodyear/Conti discontinued that spec in the Gatorback/Elite belt. I could only find 6pk1900G in current production. I ordered one Conti 4060750 on Amazon but revived a non-Gatorback version. I found them on eBay which appear to be NOS Gatorback/Elite 4060750 so I ordered two and am hopeful.
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Will confirm one way or the other for sure.
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Hey, just checking if you got the right belt on not? I am about to get one as well and just wanted to see what you got. Thanks!
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The belts arrived today. 6PK1905 in Gatorback!!
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Which one specifically did you order to get a gatorback version?
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Yes, sorry for the late reply. I rarely come here nowadays. I used: Continental Elite part = 4060747
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