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To be fair, M Philosophy v. 2.0 may be just around the corner in the form of an M3. However, those gearheads in Garching have been known to spring surprises, and for all we know right now, this chit chat about an FI/turbo motor in the F32 may be nothing more than an elaborate smokescreen designed to catch the competition off guard. No one has taken exception to that statement...yet...and neither will I. Quote:
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A "driver's car" themed tag line instead of "Joy whatever" or "the ultimate driving machine" (one that I never cared for thanks to the ambiguous wording i.e. Is the machine driving you? Do you have to drive the machine?) that identifies what type of individual the car is built to please would ultimately sell many more than just those purchased by the natural target demographic because the world is chock full of posers and individuals that want to belong to some group or another for any number of reasons. By focusing design, sales pitches on individuals who are not necessarily drivers first car owners second the brand, even M Division and, by extension, models, even the M3, are at risk of becoming substantively diluted. Ultimately, those who desire as driver oriented a vehicle as they can get their hands on will go shopping around.
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High revs = M, not crappy turbos
I for one, CARE. No revving, no fun. End of story.
It's kind of like watching a family member die before your eyes (okay I'm being dramatic but....). RIP M. Quote:
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These are sad times for F1 thanks to the let's-create-a-spectacle mentality that has nothing in common with a formula that was once geared to showcase what manufacturers could conceive to pit against each other. It would be a mistake to underestimate Luca's ability to effect change. BTW, since BMW doesn't have a dog in the upcoming F1 fight, one would think that the F1 series would not be a factor in its cylinder count plans.
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Tell him what he's won Bob..........a watered down embarrassment to the ///M division Cheers, e46e92
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Let's try to get to the bottom of this! Is BMW being forced (perhaps forced for all practical purposes) or is it nothing but greed... We can't continue to say the former unless it really is the case.
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01-04-2011, 03:21 AM | #317 |
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And if it was about costs, I think it is cheaper to bore, stroke, direct inject, lighten the S65 than make a N55 M worthy, unless they just change N55 ECU, like you can do it at AC Schnitzer and put an M badge "Powered by BMW M".
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In all seriousness, I really think this has more to do with lowering production costs of the ///M line while still maintain the same pricing structure, leading to greatly inflated profit margins. At the end of the day, BMW has made the active choice to ruin the single most defining part of their company for a few extra bucks. I for one, hope this hurts the company in the lopng run so the idiots who made this decision get booted, but again, do to stupid consumers, it won't Cheers, e46e92
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http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/06/r...turbo-in-2013/ The speculation is that the new turbo 4 cylinder would be 1.6L. Now, obviously there are lots of technical details we are not privvy too, but I don't understand why you need to drop four cylinders off to lower the displacement 0.8L. Instead, why not just destroke/debore the V8 to around 1.6L and allow them to turbo charge it. It would probably save tens of millions in development across all of the teams involved. I suppose part of the idea is to limit RPM by forcing a longer stroke than what is currently in use, but they already artificially limit the RPM to 18000 by the rules anyway. It seems to me this is an effort on the part of F1 to cash in on the green movement because a four cylinder in generally thought of as more fuel efficient than a V8. Indeed the article I point to above even says, "BBC Sport reports that the downsized engine is an attempt to mirror the mills used in road cars and increase consumer awareness of fuel conservation." To me that is ridiculous. Gee maybe they should build the F1 cars from a production body shell now too? |
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They should also use Hankook V12 tires. Oh, and no more massive wings. Too much drag.
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Well,...reading all of this breaks my heart, after driving the 335s the last thing I want from M is FI!
M DIVISION JUST SAY NO TO FI! Please stay NA, please, please please.... |
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As a manual transmission lover, but a DCT convert for this particular car I actually wouldn't be surprised, disappointed, but not surprised if this is true. I know from the recent poll conducted on this board that the ownership of the two transmissions is nearly a direct 50:50 split by forum members, but I think we are a small sampling of M3 owners. Most likely folks who don't mod their cars have much less interest in reading the M3 boards. In my region, at least, the two BMW dealers I spoke with said that roughly 95% of the M3's they sold were DCT equipped. If even 10% are buying the manual equipped M3's then BMW would have a pretty good case for offering DCT only especially if you make the assumption that more and more M buyers will become DCT believers. Of course after the release of Porsche's 997.2 Carrera rumors were flying around that Porsche would soon (as in next generation) be phasing out manual transmissions in favor of PDK, but I don't see that happening. Again, in my region, almost all of the left over 2010 Porsche inventory consists of PDK cars.
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What rim sizes is the next M3 F3X going to get?
M3 E30: 16"
M3 E36: 17" M3 E46: 18" and even 19" M3 E9X: 19" and also 18" M3 F3X: 19" standard, 20" optional ??? Nissan GT-R, Ferrari 458 Italia, Ferrari California, Porsche 911 (991), BMW M5 (F10), Audi RS6, Audi RS5, Opel Insignia OPC, now most all high performance cars are getting 20" rims. Again max sizes: 1 Series E8X: 18" 3 Series E9X: 19" 5 Series E6X: 19" So I expect for the next generatio nthe same thing: 1 Series F2X: 19" 3 Series F3X: 20" 5 Series F1X: 20" So, then if the M3 F3X gets 20" optional and the standard will be 19", will 18" no more be offered, just like the RS5? |
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I do wish that all manufacturers will keep offering manuals, but a trip to any showroom will prove that almost all are available in auto. You'd be hard pressed to find 6MT M3s on the lot here in socal. I've only run across two, out of the dozens that I've seen. |
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Probably not. He keeps putting some numbers in every thread for imaginary cars
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