How hard do you push the M3?

Chriskm3 · 03-06-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by M3forMe

I was thinking the same thing. Man I don't drive it nearly hard enough.

This is why many second hard m3 are near tip top shape.

1MOREMOD · 03-06-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by w00tw00t

please don't bounce it off the rev-limiter though... other than that the car and engine is designed to be pushed hard... I push it to 8300-8500 rpm shifts at every track day I go to.. so does every other track rat on this forum..

i second this. i have my rev limit raised to 8600 and on certain portions of the track i use almost every bit of it every lap. i have only hit the limiter and bounced of it once. i didnt realize i was in the wrong gear and felt like an idiot on the front straight of the ridge.

malcontentman · 03-06-2013, 11:21 AM

I just got my e92, but I drive it like I've had it for 10 years. IT feels pretty bullet proof.
Hopefully that won't change once I start adding performance mods. All mods so far have just been cosmetic.

i001947 · 03-06-2013, 11:26 AM

Viagra hard baby!

Stronie · 03-06-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by carbon//m3

Man after reading all these posts I need to start really driving my car.

I agree, however really hard to do on the streets (legally). I really need some track time at Mid-Ohio this year.

TVMA Doc · 03-06-2013, 01:00 PM

How hard I push it all depends upon what condition the battery is in. I haven't had to push it yet.

John Tanglewood · 03-06-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TVMA Doc

How hard I push it all depends upon what condition the battery is in. I haven't had to push it yet.

info@trinityautosport · 03-06-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Obioban

Just make sure she's warmed up first.

+1.

JD3 · 03-06-2013, 01:36 PM

This input really helps, thanks!

Transfer · 03-06-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

i second this. i have my rev limit raised to 8600 and on certain portions of the track i use almost every bit of it every lap. i have only hit the limiter and bounced of it once. i didnt realize i was in the wrong gear and felt like an idiot on the front straight of the ridge.

I did the same thing on monday. Accelerated hot from turn 15 through 16 and whoops there's the fuel cut. I have no worries about redline and feel it's my duty to take it there daily if possible. I do avoid the rev limiter though.

1MOREMOD · 03-06-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfer

I did the same thing on monday. Accelerated hot from turn 15 through 16 and whoops there's the fuel cut. I have no worries about redline and feel it's my duty to take it there daily if possible. I do avoid the rev limiter though.

Was that your first time out there? What kind of lap times did you see?

AMPowerJ · 03-06-2013, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Porschefile

Flatout

LOL That's how I drive ... Flatout

JD3 · 03-06-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stronie

I agree, however really hard to do on the streets (legally). I really need some track time at Mid-Ohio this year.

That's where I go. Awesome track though I've only driven on it once.

klammer · 03-06-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

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Originally Posted by w00tw00t

please don't bounce it off the rev-limiter though... other than that the car and engine is designed to be pushed hard... I push it to 8300-8500 rpm shifts at every track day I go to.. so does every other track rat on this forum..

i second this. i have my rev limit raised to 8600 and on certain portions of the track i use almost every bit of it every lap. i have only hit the limiter and bounced of it once. i didnt realize i was in the wrong gear and felt like an idiot on the front straight of the ridge.

I have my limit raised as well, but have bounced off the limiter many, many times. Mostly on new tracks, but with the 3.45 gears, the revs move pretty quickly and as I get faster find myself needing to shift where I never had to before, and usually don't know that till I hit the limiter

1MOREMOD · 03-07-2013, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by klammer

I have my limit raised as well, but have bounced off the limiter many, many times. Mostly on new tracks, but with the 3.45 gears, the revs move pretty quickly and as I get faster find myself needing to shift where I never had to before, and usually don't know that till I hit the limiter

well thats a good thinng, no?

OC3 · 03-07-2013, 12:37 AM

How hard do I push the M3? Well, logged over 50 track days so far and I would estimate around 12 WOT-and-upshifts-at-redline per lap, averaging 6 laps per session and around 4 sessions per track day, and with most of that time spent between 5,000 to 8,300 rpm. I think that comes out to... around 15,000 flatout WOT cycles?

I haven't done WOT on the streets/freeways for I don't know long now.

JD3 · 03-07-2013, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by OC3

How hard do I push the M3? Well, logged over 50 track days so far and I would estimate around 12 WOT-and-upshifts-at-redline per lap, averaging 6 laps per session and around 4 sessions per track day, and with most of that time spent between 5,000 to 8,300 rpm. I think that comes out to... around 15,000 flatout WOT cycles?

I haven't done WOT on the streets/freeways for I don't know long now.

Now that's a testament....assuming you're not on your 3rd engine or something, haha. thanks!

Sal@AUTOcouture · 03-07-2013, 09:19 AM

like ya stole it

Mr. ///M3 RD · 03-07-2013, 09:24 AM

you never know what is around the next bend --->

https://www.youtube.com/embed/oFkw5JFOmHk

I drive my M3 normal in traffic ... and like an M3 is to be driven when no one is around

jphughan · 03-07-2013, 09:49 AM

I personally usually leave a little bit on the table on the upper end, even at the track. I'm not really interested in shaving time by using every last rev (more interested in shaving time through better cornering and overall technique, etc), so I might occasionally shift a little before the yellow zone, especially when WOT in 4th gear which could have you in the yellow zone for quite a bit. WOT in 3rd I tend to go higher since I'm pulling harder and therefore minimizing time in the upper range there. I haven't run a track where you'd downshift to 2nd so that's completely off the table for me, but I might get near redline in 2nd and even 1st on the road here and there.

But this question brings up yet another reason I believe that M3 owners who never take their cars to the track will never fully appreciate or understand how truly outstanding a car it is and why certain design decisions were made, e.g. higher redline vs more torque, steering clear of fatter rear tires, etc. You can't really stay in the upper rev range even on back roads, at least on 6MT. Staying in 2nd gear the entire time would get tiresome, but 3rd gear doesn't top out until 105 MPH, which isn't really a realistic speed range for back roads where you generally only have one lane in each direction (and therefore no room to slide the car), little warning of oncoming traffic, and probably no reasonable runoff area. The track meanwhile shows you exactly why 3rd gear is geared in the awesome way that it is, not to mention that barely hanging on through a corner at high speeds (even sliding a bit) while the engine is already turning maybe 5K before powering out of it is so life-affirming.

1MOREMOD · 03-07-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OC3

How hard do I push the M3? Well, logged over 50 track days so far and I would estimate around 12 WOT-and-upshifts-at-redline per lap, averaging 6 laps per session and around 4 sessions per track day, and with most of that time spent between 5,000 to 8,300 rpm. I think that comes out to... around 15,000 flatout WOT cycles?

I haven't done WOT on the streets/freeways for I don't know long now.

only 6 laps per session? i have days where i get in over 100 laps.

Transfer · 03-07-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Was that your first time out there? What kind of lap times did you see?

I was out there opening weekend but this was my first time in the M3. I'm fairly casual with my lapping so I don't do timing... yet.

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jphughan Brigadier General 594 Rep 4,488 Posts Drives: '16 Cayman GT4 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX iTrader: (0)	I personally usually leave a little bit on the table on the upper end, even at the track. I'm not really interested in shaving time by using every last rev (more interested in shaving time through better cornering and overall technique, etc), so I might occasionally shift a little before the yellow zone, especially when WOT in 4th gear which could have you in the yellow zone for quite a bit. WOT in 3rd I tend to go higher since I'm pulling harder and therefore minimizing time in the upper range there. I haven't run a track where you'd downshift to 2nd so that's completely off the table for me, but I might get near redline in 2nd and even 1st on the road here and there. But this question brings up yet another reason I believe that M3 owners who never take their cars to the track will never fully appreciate or understand how truly outstanding a car it is and why certain design decisions were made, e.g. higher redline vs more torque, steering clear of fatter rear tires, etc. You can't really stay in the upper rev range even on back roads, at least on 6MT. Staying in 2nd gear the entire time would get tiresome, but 3rd gear doesn't top out until 105 MPH, which isn't really a realistic speed range for back roads where you generally only have one lane in each direction (and therefore no room to slide the car), little warning of oncoming traffic, and probably no reasonable runoff area. The track meanwhile shows you exactly why 3rd gear is geared in the awesome way that it is, not to mention that barely hanging on through a corner at high speeds (even sliding a bit) while the engine is already turning maybe 5K before powering out of it is so life-affirming. __________________ '16 Cayman GT4 (delivery pics, comparison to E92 M3 write-up) Gone but not forgotten: '11.75 M3 E92 Le Mans \| Black Nov w/ Alum \| 6MT (owned 5/2011 - 11/2015)
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