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07-29-2008, 10:18 AM | #1 | |
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Official: no M3 CSL to be produced
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Update 8/26 As I'm sure many of you now know- Car magazine online published a story today confirming from Ludwig Willisch- the new BMW "M" Boss that there will be "NO" CSL for our E92.... Here's the site....... http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...ls-E92-M3-CSL/ Quote:
My own feelings are that this is only partially true. Audi is launching the RS5 in 2009 and I find it hard to believe that BMW won't create SOME kind of answer in the form of a more powerful E92 coupe.... What do you guys think? Will BMW ever create a more powerful E92, or are we stuck with 414BHP until the next gen M3 premieres? _______________________________________ German car mag Auto-motor-und-sport interviewed Ludwig Willisch from BMW's M GmbH today and he is stating there will be NO M3 CSL as there is no market for it. He also mentions the same thing for any M3 touring, 1 series "M" and any type of M1 "supercar". Strangely enough, he does say there WILL be "M" versions of both the X5 and X6........... |
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07-29-2008, 10:23 AM | #2 | |
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07-29-2008, 10:25 AM | #3 |
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07-29-2008, 10:29 AM | #4 |
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Am I the only one who thinks it might look good?!?!?
Noone is forcing you to buy it, it will be a nice option for those who want a little more out of their X5/X6
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07-29-2008, 10:33 AM | #5 |
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I don't think it is about whether it will look good or not. It is about the fact that ///M is losing focus and selling out in order to make money.
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07-29-2008, 10:38 AM | #7 |
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IMO, what's wrong about an M version of the X5/6 when there's a Porsche Cayenne Turbo?
As long as BMW M is also going to build real sports cars (i.e. CSL versions and a supercar) that's fine with me. Best regards, south
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07-29-2008, 10:39 AM | #8 |
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A published interview with the director of BMW ///M is BS?
Best regards, south
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07-29-2008, 10:42 AM | #9 | |
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Exactly...Cayenne Turbo is an amazing car for those want a little more out of their Cayennes.
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07-29-2008, 10:49 AM | #10 | ||
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The CSL does not bother me much since its not an attainable car and even if I had the money I think I'd look at Porsche 911 S or GT3. Quote:
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07-29-2008, 10:54 AM | #11 | |
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There is certainly a market for a CSL version in Europe, probably one in North America too since any CSL produced would come with The M-DCT which is selling like mad over here unlike the 6MT version. IMHO its really too early for any thumbs up / thumbs down to be given on an M3 CSL |
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07-29-2008, 10:57 AM | #12 |
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When Porsche introduced the Cayenne, you could say the same about Porsche as now for the M GmbH. They sell their reputation of making true sports cars. IMO cars like the Cayenne and the X3/5/6 should be BANNED! They are ugly and make no sense, neither on the road nor off it:
If you want a true offroader: get a Toyota LandCruiser If you want the space and the comfort: get a 5 series If you want a sports car: get an M3/5/6 or a 911 |
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07-29-2008, 11:10 AM | #13 |
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I said this before and I will say it again, every manufacturer make cars for money......the end.
The last CSL didn't sell shit and that was regardless of how good it was. The disappointing thing is why no 1 series M and why no supercar, if Audi can make a fist of it and have no problem selling them with their reputation then surely BMW should have no problem but they prefer to throw all of their money and man-power into making M-SUVs............why? MONEY Maybe it will be a role reversal between Audi and BMW. |
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07-29-2008, 11:25 AM | #15 |
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Porsche has stated that the success Cayenne has allowed then to create some of the great cars they have produced. While Cayenne is not exactly what Porsche is known for, it is a good selling, money making venture for them that has allowed continued development of the 911, Cayman, the upcoming Panamerican, and whatever other enthusiast cars they create.
My guess is that BMW uses the same type of business case for M badged SUV's. Make money with them and then use it to develop the vehicles you specialize in. "M" itself isn't so meaningful that it can't be used other places; it won't detract from our cars. You can bet that an M X5 will haul ass and will do the name justice. |
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07-29-2008, 11:30 AM | #16 |
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Guess what guys: if BMW didn't want to make MONEY then they wouldn't stay in business. And, news flash: if you didn't "Sell out" for MONEY, then you wouldn't be able to afford a BMW.
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07-29-2008, 11:34 AM | #17 |
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Well lets make our own CLS then!! Hahaha. I don't mind an M version of the X class, Porsche does it, as South has stated, and so does AMG with the ML63, so why not?
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07-29-2008, 11:40 AM | #18 |
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Well, while everybody is getting heated about the CSL question, I just want to throw out that there are cars being produced that do not bring money.
The Bugatti Veyron for instance costs VW money, and they still build it. But this is more to be devil's advocate; of course BMW produces cars from a financial point of view. In regards to the M heritage: I absolutely agree that M should stand for something pure. The sense of ownership and pride in Motorsport is sacrificed, if big cars (X5/X6) become part of that realm. SUVs don't deserve the M badge, because they are not sports cars. The CSL was pride and joy for most owners, because it reminded them of what the M Division really stands for. Best regards, CSL
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07-29-2008, 11:42 AM | #19 |
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So it seems almost everybody actually thinks these products will be labeled ///M, e.g. X6 M or X5 M or something similar?
Anyone want to place a friendly wager on that? After all, you've got the King of M saying it, right there in print. How can you go wrong? How bout it? Anyone want to bet on that? |
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07-29-2008, 11:44 AM | #20 | |
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Sure, I tink it will be ///M x6 etc...
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07-29-2008, 11:45 AM | #21 | |
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I wasn't born yesterday...///M does not need a MX5 or MX6 to stay in business, so your argument is irrelevant. I don't sell out for money, I earn money doing a job that I enjoy. Working is rewarding. I don't view that as selling out. Selling out is when you abandon or stray from your foundation or principles for the sake of things like money or public appeal. |
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