m4's engine sits a whole 2 inches higher than the S65. Embarrassing m4 facts.

Rat3d ///M · 03-23-2016, 03:51 PM

I don't understand these threads. Are you that unhappy with your choice in vehicle that you have to justify it by saying the newer replacement model has an engine that sits 2" higher? Who cares?

I purchased, and still own (with no plans on selling until the day I can buy my Gallardo) my E90 M3 because I'm an ///M enthusiast. Have been since the E36 was still on the road and highly sought after and the E46 had just come out. The E9x series is just the one that floats my boat I guess. I have no desire to own an F8x series. None. Nada. Zilch. I love the way they look, and they are certainly better in many areas than the predecessor but a) I've never been one to have the latest and greatest of everything and b) I don't feel the need to keep up with the Jones' (where cars are concerned anyways). I buy and drive what I like, and the E9x is the best thing under 70K for me IMHO. But I'm confident and comfortable with that decision. I don't need to justify it by making absurd comparisons to the competition.

Beemdog · 03-23-2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pbonsalb

I would love to have an M4 even if it is at risk of rolling over on turns.

Some are known to spontaneously jump over roadway center dividers.

M'EM · 03-23-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemdog

Some are known to spontaneously jump over roadway center dividers.

Yes due to the fact that the engine is 2 inches higher.

redpriest · 03-23-2016, 04:41 PM

I would own each M3 of every generation if I had the garage space and if my wife wouldn't kill me.

dparm · 03-23-2016, 04:51 PM

ITT: people attempt to nitpick and shit on the F80 M3/M4

tl;dr: rabble rabble rabble

briancl · 03-23-2016, 04:54 PM

I'm not really into trying to compare the E92 to the F80/F82. They're both great cars in their own right.

I'd be happy with either car.

Flying Ace · 03-23-2016, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemdog

Some are known to spontaneously jump over roadway center dividers.

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Originally Posted by M'EM

Yes due to the fact that the engine is 2 inches higher.

guys, the reason it jumps curbs is the PSI differences between the rear tires and front tires, so I'm told by a pro driver.

Flying Ace · 03-23-2016, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by redpriest

I would own each M3 of every generation if I had the garage space and if my wife wouldn't kill me.

So what you really mean is, you don't have money for a larger garage, more cars or less whiney wife

X5-User · 03-23-2016, 05:14 PM

Poor OP, he got bashed with these "unexpected" replies

ASBSECU E93 · 03-23-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vsix

Guys, hey its not a competitor! It's all one breed!
Dont make yourself such a head about facts like these...
An ///M will always stay an ///M no matter how high or low or sleak or wide or heavy or light, you ever get it.
The E9x and the F8x...
none of them is better or worster then the other.
As for me...I love these M4's!
Why?
It's an ///M, an ///M, baby!

Spits hot fire!!

Drops the mic....

/thread

Agent-GHQ · 03-23-2016, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemdog

Some are known to spontaneously jump over roadway center dividers.

This thread made me thought about this incident lmao
http://youtu.be/miA5qj5ergM

Three Pedal Steve · 03-23-2016, 09:28 PM

Back to the OP-
That two inches of added engine height is reflected the M4's styling. The hood-line of the M4 is noticeably taller than the e92 M3..

wizzodedios · 03-23-2016, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemdog

Some are known to spontaneously jump over roadway center dividers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by M'EM

Yes due to the fact that the engine is 2 inches higher.

does this mean i'm going to spin out at every intersection as well? these f8x cars doesn't sound safe at all.

GVIFlyer · 03-23-2016, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

One more shame fact about the m4 that was kept hidden under the rug and that has come to light: the m4 engine sits a whole 2 inches higher than the S65 in the e92 because of the turbo design.

why would that matter ? well it matters for roll. Basically degrading stability and traction when changing heading direction.

Let's take a look a the extra moment of unwanted roll force that this creates:

First recap S55 (m4) engine weight :
kg / lbs : 205/452

m4 extra roll moment : τ = 2 inches x F

=2 / 12 feet * 205 lbs = +/- 34 lbs.ft

Roll is impacted. This means loading the outside wheels more in turns and further explains why the m4 looses its rear too easily, it's not just the engine torque it's the engine adding its weight 2 inches more above center of gravity. The E92 M3 is superior in that regard. If you look at F1 cars all the weight sit extremely low above ground for the same reason.

As an engineering test pilot, I can't argue with your physics, but I believe you will find that on this board that emotion trumps science.

Flying Ace · 03-23-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wizzodedios

does this mean i'm going to spin out at every intersection as well? these f8x cars doesn't sound safe at all.

Not at all. And if you don't get your psi just right in your tires, you'll end up doing what my avatar is doing.

M'EM · 03-24-2016, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by wizzodedios

does this mean i'm going to spin out at every intersection as well? these f8x cars doesn't sound safe at all.

Yep. Those BMW engineers fucked up big time on this one.

Fortyb · 03-24-2016, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vsix

Guys, hey its not a competitor! It's all one breed!
Dont make yourself such a head about facts like these...
An ///M will always stay an ///M no matter how high or low or sleak or wide or heavy or light, you ever get it.
The E9x and the F8x...
none of them is better or worster then the other.
As for me...I love these M4's!
Why?
It's an ///M, an ///M, baby!

GMe90 · 03-24-2016, 05:29 AM

Good info, OP. I think the e92 M3 was a more dominant car of its time than the M4 is now. But part of that has to do with other manufacturers improving their products, especially the American cars.

CSBM5 · 03-24-2016, 06:56 AM

I assume you're referring to the location of the center of gravity for both engines, fully dressed? If not, the discussion is mute. Where did you get the GC data for the S55 and S65?

jaehshim · 03-24-2016, 07:02 AM

isn't s65 450lb? s55 is 452lb?

Patrón · 03-24-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

blah blah blah

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Originally Posted by kb9uwu

too bad the m4 beats the e92 m3 in almost every performance category.

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Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

That's is a blanket statement that has little signification.

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Originally Posted by pbonsalb

I would love to have an M4 even if it is at risk of rolling over on turns.

e90///M3 · 03-24-2016, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jaehshim

isn't s65 450lb? s55 is 452lb?

the S55 is 2 inches higher and now 2 lbs. heavier... gotta love these comments

they are both great cars, just ones NA and ones FI. driven both, the new engine put the down very differently... that doesn't really make it worse, we just got more choices

S55 makes power very easily with cooling advantage over the s65 I believe

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