BMW M3 vs. Audi RS5

[BMW269]

M3 or RS5?

The RS5 is a nice car, but not as good as I expected it to be. In terms of driving I think the M3 will still stay KING. But the RS5 has many other things that will attract buyers. And as i said, before, it is not because the RS5 is faster that it will sell better. And this goes also for S5, many chose S5 over M3, it is the appropriate car for them. The M3 has always been the target, and I hope it will always stay, even when the next turboed M3 F30 comes out. M built NA High-Reving engines, and to keep up, the other needed FI. Now that the others build not bad NA High-Reving engines, BMW steps up to FI. Again all the others will follow. I like it how BMW rules. I am sure, if not the M3 with NA engine, the RS5 would have gone FI.

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by Levi

So what car do you prefere? (prefering one, does not mean you don't like the other)

M what and RS what? M3 vs RS4? Definately M3!

[KonigsTiger]

Well, RS5 if I´m not going to push it to the limit and toss it around all day! M3 otherswise. My feeling is the RS5 will not be as "tossable" as the M3 but will brake better (8 piston carbon ceramic front rotors), is the "prettier" option and far better interior with similar NA 4.2L high reving V8. M3 will for sure be the better track or "at the limit" monkey with better weight distribution and body rigidity.

[footie]

BTW, this is a new quattro system, meaning different and improved from the current quattro system used in other Audi models. This improvement includes less friction among others. So the question is ................ what is it's drivetrain loss?

[mPlasticDesign]

I guess this discussion can be left for people outside the United States. Because, currently there are no RS models offered here. The dealerships have been talking about the RS5 for years now. Just talk. When you compare any S model with any comparably equipped M model, the M wins IMO. The S model is more in the M price bracket than the RS line anyways.

[BMW M Power Mexico]

This RS5 is disappointing. The previous RS4 leapfrogged the E46 M3 by quite a bit. 80 hp and much better laptimes.

This will match or barely beat the E92 M3. Within a couple of years of the RS5 being available there will be a new M3 pushing close to 500hp with a turbo engine and less weight and Audi will have nothing to beat that M3 for the next 4-5 years again. Official 0-62 is 0.1 seconds ahead of the E92 DCT. That is expected due to traction advantage. Will it smoke the E92 on the top end like the RS4 did to the E46? No. And it will still be less fun and tossable than the RWD M3.

When I had my E46 I envied the RS4 for a bit (but still waited for the E92), The RS5 won't merit a look compared to what the RS4 did.

Frankly, the guys at M must feel relief after this announcement. I was expecting much more.

[BMW269]

I also expected much more: 450 Hp, 450 Nm, redline at 8.750 rpm, 1650 kg (EU), 0-100 km/h in 4,3 sec.

[BMW M Power Mexico]

Originally Posted by Levi

I also expected much more: 450 Hp, 450 Nm, redline at 8.750 rpm, 1650 kg (EU), 0-100 km/h in 4,3 sec.

I think that is a mathematically impossible torque, power & redline combo. But still I agree on the expecting more part!

[H Bomb]

i just wish BMW stuck to the NA engines, it is sad to see them go the turbo route. i think a big part of what makes the E92 M3 so great is its engine

[graider]

bmw need to offer a comp II package with the GTS 4.4L engine, bbk, coilover, recaro pole for about 10k extra. Then it will be all over for this RS5.

No need to go crazy with the weight saving or crazy splitter add on like comp I package. just two recaro poles would drop almost 100lbs right there which would put it right at 3500lbs and still does it it style.

this can be done easily by bmw. the question is will they do it.

[anucci]

Originally Posted by H Bomb

i just wish BMW stuck to the NA engines, it is sad to see them go the turbo route. i think a big part of what makes the E92 M3 so great is its engine

+1
I think the engine has always played a large role in what any M card had to offer.

[footie]

I doubt anyone should have worried by the potential rival to their beloved M3, after all it's just another rival that may or may not be better.

One thing I will advise you is that if you seriously think it's 0-60mph times is going to be 4.6s in reality then your lights are on but nobody is in. I'm confident that it will do a 4.2s without rollout. Guys it will be quicker than the M3, of this I am certain but it will not feel like the M3, it will be amazing in it's own right in the same way as the GTR is, but it won't feel like a rwd which means it won't appeal to the purists among you. So even if it came to the US it probably wouldn't be an alternative to your M3 anyway.

[BMW269]

I heard it has 15% FWD and 85% RWD. Is it true?

[southlight]

Originally Posted by Levi

I heard it has 15% FWD and 85% RWD. Is it true?

No, it's a standard rear bias of 40:60. The new center diff can bring 85% to the rear if necessary, though. The maximum shift to the front is 70%.

This means that the standard bias is 40:60 with a maximum rear bias of 15:85 and a maximum front bias of 70:30 being possible.


Best regards,
south

[Archon]

M3!

The RS5 won't be in the USA...epic fail!!! What is the logic behind that?

I fully expect the RS5 being released FOUR model years after the M3 to be much faster in a line and on a track. Anything less than that is a huge mistake by Audi/VW.

There's another car not released in the USA...The M3 GTS...but that is another story

[footie]

Another worth noting is that it isn't a traditional torsen system anymore and according to what I have been told it also has less drivetrain loss, i.e. closer to that of rwd. I will keep repeating this until you guys realise, this new quattro system is the eqivalent to that of the GTR in technical ability, it's that good.

So if you ever had the belief that x-Drive was as good as quattro then think again.

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by Archon

M3!

The RS5 won't be in the USA...epic fail!!! What is the logic behind that?....

The logic is that the RS5 would be more than anyone would be willing to pay. Would you pay $85-90k for one? I sure wouldn't. I would rather have the outgoing M5/M6 with that sweet V10, but that's just me maybe. Or something over in Proscheland. Or an M3 with the extra $$ in my wallet.

NOTE: The S5 is already priced very close to the M3, yet lacking the same level of performance.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by footie

Another worth noting is that it isn't a traditional torsen system anymore and according to what I have been told it also has less drivetrain loss, i.e. closer to that of rwd. I will keep repeating this until you guys realise, this new quattro system is the eqivalent to that of the GTR in technical ability, it's that good.

So if you ever had the belief that x-Drive was as good as quattro then think again.

But it still adds a pile of weight and does nothing to help performance if there are no traction limitations.

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by southlight

No, it's a standard rear bias of 40:60. The new center diff can bring 85% to the rear if necessary, though. The maximum shift to the front is 70%.

This means that the standard bias is 40:60 with a maximum rear bias of 15:85 and a maximum front bias of 70:30 being possible.


Best regards,
south

+1, Here is the link: http://www.ausmotive.com/2010/02/23/...otor-show.html

"The RS5 will go on sale in Europe in a few weeks, with a starting price of around €77,700" Now if the price was closer to the M3, maybe even a $8-10k premium, I would have to say the RS5 would be my car. The exterior looks nicer(by a slim margin), the interior is waaaaay nicer, and the power and more sensible fuel consumption would be the clinchers.

Flame suit on...

[MrLOL]

Originally Posted by ///Metak

The logic is that the RS5 would be more than anyone would be willing to pay. Would you pay $85-90k for one? I sure wouldn't. I would rather have the outgoing M5/M6 with that sweet V10, but that's just me maybe. Or something over in Proscheland. Or an M3 with the extra $$ in my wallet.

NOTE: The S5 is already priced very close to the M3, yet lacking the same level of performance.

how come the M3 ends up so cheap in the US ?

Us Europeans pay minimum of £50,000 (new) which is around $75,000 and thats before you've added any options. Add bluetooth, PDC, ipod, DCT etc.. and that can easily rach about £60k which is $90,000

but you guys pay considerably less than that. Wonder how they do it so cheap in the US ?

[MI6]

It's been stated before on sites that the RS5 is coming to the states, so if it does not I would be surprised......

[hks786]

RS5 is 10 full seconds quicker around the ring than RS4. Enough said.