Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

pbonsalb · 08-26-2020, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dmk08

Funny! My car experience since I got into "non-American performance" has gone like this...

08 ISF ->08 E90 M->11 E92 M->15 F80 M->10 E92 M->16 F82 M->11 E92 M

My buddy brought his ISF out with us on an M mountain run a few years ago.. it was the only car that broke down. I'm sure an anomaly but still rather funny.

If you have had all those E9xM3 and no problems, why are you worrying now?

Assimilator1 · 08-30-2020, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by thereverendgarnt

FYI - Malek's car was also a main bearing failure per the link below:
https://www.m3post.com/forums/showpo...5&postcount=58

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Thanks for that, listing corrected

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

"MShift" mentioned about his blown engine in Carlow's thread. He never started an own thread about his blown S65 ...
So , I can not post another link, because there is no other link. Mate , that's about it ....

Ok, fair enough

[edit] actually you did mess the link up, as you coped the thread url not the post url for him, no worries anyway

And thanks for the extra link.

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Originally Posted by dmk08

No idea but it just doesn't seem like a real "solution". I dont want to be worrying about my car all the time. Just me.

To date, it seems to be the solution ~99.9% of the time.

Alexand3r
Thanks for the info and update to your thread, sorry to hear about your bad luck though

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List updated.

Assimilator1 · 11-19-2020, 08:01 AM

List updated, added more year dates and added 2 recent cases (M3drop, M3shift) 1 due to RBs spun, the other a stuck open injector!

Tag me if you see other recent cases I've missed!

Assimilator1 · 11-20-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatM3guy

Add me to the list of Blown Motors... unknown cause, but cylinder 6 doesn't hold pressure. Possible main bearing or fuel injector let go at 123K.

2011 e90 m3 [DCT]
I had the rod bearings done 2k miles ago and otherwise the car was maintained very well.

Sorry to hear this

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Any updates as to exactly what went wrong?
Been able to get another engine?

openroad9 · 12-09-2020, 05:30 PM

Add me to the list.

2008 M3 E90 6MT with 46k miles.

I was moving the car around my parking garage and it started idling roughly and then immediately went into limp mode. Spoke with Martin Motorsports who thought it was throttle actuators or fuel pump and that it was safe to drive a few miles to the shop. Engine cut out on the way and wouldn’t restart. Had it towed to the shop. When the shop inspected, there was metal in the oil, damage to rear corner of engine block, and engine wouldn’t turn by hand more than halfway. Unclear if this is rod bearings but seems very likely.

It’s unfortunate since I’ve had clean Blackstone oil analyses over the past 10k miles, and the car has had no issues over the past 3.5 years that I’ve owned it.

akkando · 12-09-2020, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by openroad9

Add me to the list.

2008 M3 E90 6MT with 46k miles.

I was moving the car around my parking garage and it started idling roughly and then immediately went into limp mode. Spoke with Martin Motorsports who thought it was throttle actuators or fuel pump and that it was safe to drive a few miles to the shop. Engine cut out on the way and wouldn’t restart. Had it towed to the shop. When the shop inspected, there was metal in the oil, damage to rear corner of engine block, and engine wouldn’t turn by hand more than halfway. Unclear if this is rod bearings but seems very likely.

It’s unfortunate since I’ve had clean Blackstone oil analyses over the past 10k miles, and the car has had no issues over the past 3.5 years that I’ve owned it.

Sorry. What's your plan now?

Helmsman · 12-10-2020, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by openroad9

Add me to the list.

2008 M3 E90 6MT with 46k miles.

I was moving the car around my parking garage and it started idling roughly and then immediately went into limp mode. Spoke with Martin Motorsports who thought it was throttle actuators or fuel pump and that it was safe to drive a few miles to the shop. Engine cut out on the way and wouldn’t restart. Had it towed to the shop. When the shop inspected, there was metal in the oil, damage to rear corner of engine block, and engine wouldn’t turn by hand more than halfway. Unclear if this is rod bearings but seems very likely.

It’s unfortunate since I’ve had clean Blackstone oil analyses over the past 10k miles, and the car has had no issues over the past 3.5 years that I’ve owned it.

Damn, sorry to hear. I thought Blackstone gave some sort of feedback even if vaige but apparently not. Metal in the oil is obviously very bad where ever it comes from but will ne interesting to see exactly from what.

Good luck!

Assimilator1 · 12-10-2020, 02:46 PM

Not always mate, their are a small number of cases where no warnings occur from oil analysis, you've even posted in my oil analysis thread haven't you?

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Originally Posted by openroad9

Add me to the list.

2008 M3 E90 6MT with 46k miles.

I was moving the car around my parking garage and it started idling roughly and then immediately went into limp mode. Spoke with Martin Motorsports who thought it was throttle actuators or fuel pump and that it was safe to drive a few miles to the shop. Engine cut out on the way and wouldn’t restart. Had it towed to the shop. When the shop inspected, there was metal in the oil, damage to rear corner of engine block, and engine wouldn’t turn by hand more than halfway. Unclear if this is rod bearings but seems very likely.

It’s unfortunate since I’ve had clean Blackstone oil analyses over the past 10k miles, and the car has had no issues over the past 3.5 years that I’ve owned it.

Unless you've had oil analysis from the very 1st oil change it's quite possible it'll miss worn bearings, and it is apparently possible for particle sizes beyond a certain size not to be picked up anyway.
Could be main bearings if you didn't hear some kind of 'boom' and or knocking beforehand. [edit] Missed that engine did turn by hand a bit, not seized mains then.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your bad luck

, could you keep us posted on the diagnosis and outcome?

///M Power-Belgium · 12-11-2020, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by akkando

Sorry. What's your plan now?

He showed his plan here => https://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1782082

Assimilator1 · 12-18-2020, 08:35 PM

Thanks for the link

Assimilator1 · 06-21-2021, 01:11 PM

Is it me, or are the blown reports becoming rarer?

pbonsalb · 06-22-2021, 05:41 AM

Maybe less common now that perhaps as many as 1/3 of these cars have had their rod bearings changed.

Helmsman · 06-22-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Maybe less common now that perhaps as many as 1/3 of these cars have had their rod bearings changed.

Or, the few percentage that had the issue have blown already.

pbonsalb · 06-22-2021, 02:24 PM

While only a relatively small number of motors have failed, they have failed at all ages and mileages so I doubt that the failures are over. It seems more likely that up to 20,000 preventative maintenance rod bearing replacements saved some motors from failing.

DRLane · 06-22-2021, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Helmsman

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Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Maybe less common now that perhaps as many as 1/3 of these cars have had their rod bearings changed.

Or, the few percentage that had the issue have blown already.

Forum has moved on to "what is the value" and "where can I get carbon blank…"

Assimilator1 · 06-22-2021, 03:36 PM

Carbon blank??

Green-Eggs · 06-22-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DRLane

Forum has moved on to "what is the value" and "where can I get carbon blank…"

Eventually every thread degenerates to a discussion of "what ____ are those?" -- where ____ can be replaced by: wheels, exhaust, splitters, etc.

DRLane · 06-22-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Assimilator1

Carbon blank??

As in carbon "insert part here".

Assimilator1 · 06-23-2021, 04:35 PM

Ah got ya!

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Originally Posted by Green-Eggs

Eventually every thread degenerates to a discussion of "what ____ are those?" -- where ____ can be replaced by: wheels, exhaust, splitters, etc.

Well, this one just seems to have fallen silent, was anyway

kmberger8 · 07-08-2021, 07:10 PM

I can't believe it, but time to add me to the list...

2008 M3 E93 with 135,800 miles on ACL replacement bearings (2017, approximately 116,000 miles).

Had always been a gem. Car was impeccably maintained as I am a licensed aviation mechanic and perform all servicing myself. Nothing was amiss when the engine grenaded itself on a family daytrip around a national forest near our home.

TX · 07-08-2021, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kmberger8

I can't believe it, but time to add me to the list...

2008 M3 E93 with 135,800 miles on ACL replacement bearings (2017, approximately 116,000 miles).

Had always been a gem. Car was impeccably maintained as I am a licensed aviation mechanic and perform all servicing myself. Nothing was amiss when the engine grenaded itself on a family daytrip around a national forest near our home.

I’m sorry to hear the sad news. Do you remember which set of ACLs were used? Were there any post change oil reports?

pbonsalb · 07-08-2021, 09:14 PM

Any idea whether it was main bearing failure or rod bearing failure?

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