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The oils seem extremely similar and would be comfortable running either one. The Redline 10w-60 used to be a bit thicker in the past and now looks pretty much in line with the others as the specs changed modestly ( I ran it a while back for about 7000 miles). If doing only track driving the Redline may be the best choice. If anything, the Shell specs indicate that 10w-60 is the right oil for this engine as BMW chose something extremely similar to the Castrol. I also think running Mobil 1 is fine for cooler climates, as even the Castrol (and probably Shell) break down to a 10w-50 over a few thousand miles. I'd be a little reluctant to use it on the track or with a raised (8600 rpm) limiter.
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If BMW decided that a mid-production spec change for Castrol's 10W60 was beneficial then its not out of the question that BMW would ask Shell to adjust the additive pack of its 10W60 to something similar to Castrols. Quote:
No engine manufacturer wants to use such a heavy oil (unless they really have to) the power and efficiency losses are considerable, the trend will be for increasingly thinner oils (down to 0w20) in smaller turbo charged engines. I suspect Castrol would rather stop the manufacture of 10W60 altogether (its low volume and expensive to produce) but are stuck with it at least for a while longer Last edited by SenorFunkyPants; 01-28-2015 at 05:18 AM.. |
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I guess they just don't mix well together. Think oil and water. It was explained better than that somewhere, but I forgot exactly where. Maybe someone else with experience can chime in.
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The different brand formula additives can react with each other and form types of sludge prematurely....
This came from Mike Miller in a correspondence some time ago.
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So this is fresh virgin product from Shell's GTL plant it seems:
http://www.shell-me.com/shell-opens-...-in-jebel-ali/ Quote:
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01-28-2015, 07:48 AM | #51 |
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From bmw website
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Looks like the current version of Shell Helix Ultra Racing 10W-60 is different to the old version.
From 10/2013 http://hand.net.pl/wp-content/upload..._B4_en_TDS.pdf From 2011 http://parsianlub.com/admin/file_tec...g%2010W-60.pdf From 2007 http://www.smithandallan.com/documen...-60%201%20.pdf |
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I use the Platinum 0w20 in our Honda. Stays clean after a couple thousand miles. The Mobil 1 was darker and would have an odor after same mileage. So... Made the switch a while ago in the Honda.
I think this GTL stuff is impressive for more affordable synthetics on the shelf at WalMart
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This is the latest publicly available I can find:
Shell Helix Ultra Racing 10W-60 (SN/CF, A3/B4), v 3.2 20.05.2014.07.14: http://www.epc.shell.com/docs/GPCDOC...8en%29_TDS.pdf
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I don't know if the USA market is the same but in the UK there are two versions of Castrol's 10W60.....Edge 10W60 and Edge professional 10W60 (this version is only available direct from BMW). Both these oils have a similar spec, but according to Castrol UK the BMW "Edge professional" formulation is slightly "improved" over the retail Edge version..
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wow this is incredibly confusing why the label is call "M twin power turbo" when it's clearly for NA M engines. Anyone have luck finding this at dealers?
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Mixed this with the existing Castrol 10W-60, shouldn't be a problem?
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Engine blows up...haha, Likely okay I presume. It's their replacement OEM oil. I would assume that formulas were changed to add better friction additives or other improvements. But the specs posted earlier indicates its very similar to the outgoing oil. Castrol even made minor improvements when they relabeled TWS to Edge Pro two years ago. I just found out that Castrol is being booted in favor of Shell/Valvoline oil for all other models as well. My X5's engine oil is also no longer Castrol.
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everything is commercial...BMW are in the business of making money for shareholders.
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got it at my local dealer. it definitely threw me off even after i read the back of the bottle and it said it was for our cars
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Millers have an excellent reputation in the motorsport world. This is their oil for the S65: http://www.millersoils.co.uk/automot...tor=Motorsport
Millers CFS 10w60 SAE Viscosity 10w60 Specific Gravity (at 15°C) 0.865 Kinematic Viscosity (at 100°C, cSt) 22.7 Kinematic Viscosity (at 40°C, cSt) 159.6 Viscosity Index 171 Pour Point (°C) <-25 Flash Point (°C) >200 Cold Crank Viscosity (cP) 7,000 HTHS mPa.s 5.55 TBN mg KOH/gm 9.47 |
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