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I would say it is totally a matter of opinion. There are certainly similarities and the cars are certainly closer than a Porsche and a Honda but IMO they are not close enough to be real competitors. Why do I feel that way? Insecurity? Nope, not a bit, there will always be something faster and something better even if you drive an F car or L car. I don't think they are for a variety of reasons. As well, don't make me remind you of how much praise I have for the performance and innovation of the GT-R. This is not about the car I own "having" to be the "best". Just consider:
1. Comfort: M3 sits 4 comfortable, GT-R 2 only for sure, rear seats are not for full size adults. As well the M3 is the comfort king on ride quality compared to the GT-R even when the GT-R is in granny mode. 2. Proposed competitors by Nissan marketing. #1 is the 997TT. Perhaps though not stated explicitly #2 is the Z06. Are either of those M3 competitors. 3. Exclusivity. M3 is a reasonably high volume car for any enthusiast who can afford one. Unless Nissan is lying the GT-R numbers will be an order of magnitude less. 4. Targeted markets: I won't dive to heavily into stereo types or value judgements, but to me it is crystal clear that the cars target a different demographic and different market. Cross over between them - surely - but different enough to be distinct. 5. Raw performance level. GT-R is so clearly >> M3. |
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Not what anyones loved ones would prefer and not what they themselves would prefer when/if the time comes for that big/serious accident. I came within a few inches of losing my life (escaped almost uninjured) in a near head on collision in my 1967 VW Beetle. Sure I'd love for my M3 to be much lighter but not at the expense of safety.
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The R34 GT-R made way more power than the 276 hp that Nissan claimed due to the HP agreement in Japan. That's what I mean by underrated. The GT-R blows away the M3 in performance. When I say underpromise and overdeliver, I'm talking about the GT-R only promising 480 horsepower but delivering over 550 in actual testing. |
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I think the true transmission lose is closer to 15% and not 25%, that would place it's true figure closer to 507hp, well that's if you believe dyno results anyway. |
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I went to the jewelry store to buy my wife some 0.5 carat diamond earrings and the jewelor gave me 2 carats for the same price. I punched him right in the nose.
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Hmmm....
One more data point to consider: In their August 2008 issue, C/D tests a U.S. Spec GT-R against a Z06, Viper ACR, and 911 GT2. This particular GT-R coughed up a 12.6 @ 111mph 1/4 mile pass.
So, were the early test cars supplied by Nissan "ringers", or is there some other explanation?
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at close to 4000lbs and trapping 120+.......?????????rofl...physics must seize to exist in front of the gt-r |
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My 2cents GTR E92 M3 - I wish she had 100ft lbs more torque and was AWD 997TT - - so expensive and looks so similar 10 years ago GT3 - - un justyfied for the price Z06 - - competitive for the performance/price DB9 - - beauty VEYRON - - undeniable
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Are you kidding? An AWD M3
The "lack" of torque being a significant factor at least in terms of the cars performance is an ametuerish statement at best. The "lack" of torque sure does not kill the cars 0-100 time does it? I have seen many sub 10 second test results. |
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From a purely practical point of view an AWD M3 would be great, but the system would have to be close in design to that of the GTR, i.e. mostly rear wheel drive and only shifting power forward to help control excessive oversteer.
The question needed to be asked is whether anyone would have brought the GTR if it looked like an M3 and was made by BMW. My guess is quite a lot. To the question of more toque, giving the M3 more torque would only increase the weight even more as the entire drivetrain would need beefed up to cope. The best thing BMW could do it to mount the gearbox and diff together at the rear, this would allow the for better weight distribution and allow for a bigger engine or an engine with turbos to be used without having the concern of excessive weight at the nose. The only problem with such an idea is the lose of boot space. |
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If I had a M3, I'd definately want Nissan to be lying because you can't justify spending 70k on a M3. Especially when the GT-R flat out destroys it. Any of you see the GT-R laptime around Top Gear's Track? Its way way beyond anything the M3 can dream of.
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What was the laptime? I can't seem to find it.
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Probably because it didn't happen yet :P
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Actually, it has. The show hasn't aired, but people in the audience for the taping said the time was 1:18.9. Highlight after was to see the time in white text.
Autoblog has a story here: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/18/n...test-track-in/ |
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