RS5 at Geneva

[brava09]

Originally Posted by footie

The engine delivers 331 kW (450 hp) at 8,250 rpm and - between 4,000 and 6,000 rpm - transmits a maximum of 430 Nm (317.15 lb-ft) of torque.

Where are the 335i fanboys to belittle the RS5 for not having enough torque at low rpm's??


Hey footie, you were also one of the persons complaining about M3's lack of torque...what about RS5 then, similar torque figures for a 220lbs more weight...must feel quite torquey.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by footie

Trust me, this is a definite step up from the previous RS4 in terms of handling, and when combined with the Sportsdiff (specially tuned for the RS5) you have something that I thing will surprise a hell of a lot of M3 owners. My info is that it's lap times for Hockenheim will be closer to that of the 997.2CS than the M3, which is no mean feat.

Does Audi send you a "special"Kool Aid to drink before you log on this board?

[footie]

Originally Posted by brava09

Where are the 335i fanboys to belittle the RS5 for not having enough torque at low rpm's??


Hey footie, you were also one of the persons complaining about M3's lack of torque...what about RS5 then, similar torque figures for a 220lbs more weight...must feel quite torquey.

I definitely am not a fan of a non FI engine so this engine doesn't appeal to me much, one of the reason why didn't put my name down for one of the first.

[footie]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

Does Audi send you a "special"Kool Aid to drink before you log on this board?

Good one.

yeah it does appear to be this way but trust me when the F30 M3 gets close to release I will be equally as excited.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by footie

Good one.

yeah it does appear to be this way but trust me when the F30 M3 gets close to release I will be equally as excited.

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by footie

Trust me, this is a definite step up from the previous RS4 in terms of handling, and when combined with the Sportsdiff (specially tuned for the RS5) you have something that I thing will surprise a hell of a lot of M3 owners. My info is that it's lap times for Hockenheim will be closer to that of the 997.2CS than the M3, which is no mean feat.

I'm sure it is an improvement, however, the laws of physics cannot be repealed. There is far too much weight hanging off the front of this car and no amount of trickery will undo that.

I have been very impressed with Audi's ability to hide their car's weight distribution in day to day driving, even spirited driving. However, you can't hide it on the track at the limits of adhesion. The front tires have to overcome a tremendous polar moment of inertia. In sweeping turns the RS5 will handle just like the RS6 and RS4 did. It will understeer. The only way around this is to drive the car extremely aggressively, effectively pitching the car into and drifting the car out of turns. This is obvious from the track videos of the RS5 I've seen so far.

You know I'm not an M3 fanboy, I'm ready to set my POS DCT e90 on fire, but even a potential RS5 buyer such as myself can acknowledge the car's limitations. Nailing a dead horse to the front of the car is detrimental to the car's ultimate performance.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

Don't forget the tremendous maintenance issues associated with the 4.2 TT in the RS6. I would have preferred that motor in the new RS5 so long as I had a warranty to pay for the inevitable problems. That huge wide torque peak will be missed by former RS6 owners.

Regarding handling differences between the M3 and the RS5, I'm sure the M3 will continue to smoke it on the track. Audis just don't work very well at the limit. On the other hand, I expect the real world handling of the Audi to be outstanding. My experience has always been that the Audi's more compliant and better damped suspensions are much easier to drive fast on real world roads.

Hmmm, is that an older RS6? The new RS6 has a 580hp 5.0L TT V10 that is fairly different from the 4.2L NA in the RS4 or in today´s RS5. And could you possibly elaborate on what are the maintenance issues? In my rather limited experience high reving engines require more maintenance than the FI ones.

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by KonigsTiger

Hmmm, which RS6 is that? The new RS6 has a 580hp 5.0L TT V10 that is fairly different from the 4.2L NA in the RS4 or in today´s RS5. And could you possibly elaborate on what are the maintenance issues? In my rather limited experience high reving engines require more maintenance than the FI ones.

The 2003 US spec RS6 was equipped with a twin turbo 4.2 putting out one of the most enviable power curves ever put into a production car.

Flat rate for changing the two upstream oxygen sensors was 30 hours. This was typical of maintenance on that car. The engine had to be removed for many of the maintenance chores.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

I'm sure it is an improvement, however, the laws of physics cannot be repealed. There is far too much weight hanging off the front of this car and no amount of trickery will undo that.

I have been very impressed with Audi's ability to hide their car's weight distribution in day to day driving, even spirited driving. However, you can't hide it on the track at the limits of adhesion. The front tires have to overcome a tremendous polar moment of inertia. In sweeping turns the RS5 will handle just like the RS6 and RS4 did. It will understeer. The only way around this is to drive the car extremely aggressively, effectively pitching the car into and drifting the car out of turns. This is obvious from the track videos of the RS5 I've seen so far.

You know I'm not an M3 fanboy, I'm ready to set my POS DCT e90 on fire, but even a potential RS5 buyer such as myself can acknowledge the car's limitations. Nailing a dead horse to the front of the car is detrimental to the car's ultimate performance.

Very well put! I think this is right on. I am no M3 fanboy either, not ready to set fire to it either, lol, but I do see several shortcoming in the stock M3 that require improvement. I can also see how some of these flaws may be more appropriately addressed in the RS5, but tossing around capability will undoubtedly not be one of the improvements over the M3. If I may add that rearly do I feel these auto makers produce vehicles that compete one on one on every level!! Each one sort of has there own customer base they cater to albeit in the sports coupe realm. For instance, the Audi is a better looking better finished and aggressive looking coupe while the M is a more toned down approach focused more on customers that may track but still want a daily driver.

Which one is better???? Whatever you want!! Which one performs better?? It depends how you measure performance and what you value. 0 to 60 etc... say very little about how much fun and how you feel inside a car!!! Very little!!

[MI6]

Judging buy Audi's 0-62 figs for this car and the weight, I'm thinking it should be right at the same times as the E9x M3. Little bit of a dissapointment considering when the RS4 debuted in 06' there was more of a performance gap between it and the E46 M3........

If it goes on sale this spring we should have some tests ready for publication by April/May.........

[Gearhead999s]

I just spoke my Audi dealer who is on the dealer council and there is still a big question whether the car is coming to Canada and it really depends on what the US decides to do.It will never be the track car that an M3 is but for for our 5 months on Winter it would be a much better allrounder than the M3 is for our climate.I would consider one for sure but it would not be my track car.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

The 2003 US spec RS6 was equipped with a twin turbo 4.2 putting out one of the most enviable power curves ever put into a production car.

Flat rate for changing the two upstream oxygen sensors was 30 hours. This was typical of maintenance on that car. The engine had to be removed for many of the maintenance chores.

Yes the power delivery was great on the RS6 and I can confirm that maintence was a nitemare compared to an M car.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

The 2003 US spec RS6 was equipped with a twin turbo 4.2 putting out one of the most enviable power curves ever put into a production car.

Flat rate for changing the two upstream oxygen sensors was 30 hours. This was typical of maintenance on that car. The engine had to be removed for many of the maintenance chores.

But of course NOT NOW, things have moved on from the RS6 which I owned, and found great in a straight line for it's time; however thats where it ended, the shear weight of the car was it's downfall and as stated it's "Front end heaviness" a real killer. Audi have made improvements IMO the B7 RS4 being my best audi ( I have owned all their best ones) but even this "Under steered" badly and after a Dyno showed 387BHP and that was "after" a remap, so.

[KonigsTiger]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

The 2003 US spec RS6 was equipped with a twin turbo 4.2 putting out one of the most enviable power curves ever put into a production car.

Flat rate for changing the two upstream oxygen sensors was 30 hours. This was typical of maintenance on that car. The engine had to be removed for many of the maintenance chores.

Wow!!! OK, I never had the pleasure of seeing one. Must have been/is a blast! Thanks for and hell yes, removing the engine would make it tricky to maintain.

[footie]

Do you know the axle weight difference of a GTR?

Well the RS5 isn't that far of off it's figure and that car seem to cope rather well. Ever wonder why that is...........simple answer is it's awd system. Well the RS5 setup is equally as advanced.

Now I'm not saying it's a rival to the GTR, that car was developed to compete with the 997tt but the RS5 will be the one out of the three (others being the M3 and C63) that will post the quickest lap times, regardless of the track.

[graider]

i think alot of the fuel improvement on this rs5 is due to direct injection.

i wish bmw used direct inject on the 4l v, that would boost power and fuel economy at the same time.

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by footie

Do you know the axle weight difference of a GTR?

Well the RS5 isn't that far of off it's figure and that car seem to cope rather well. Ever wonder why that is...........simple answer is it's awd system. Well the RS5 setup is equally as advanced.

Now I'm not saying it's a rival to the GTR, that car was developed to compete with the 997tt but the RS5 will be the one out of the three (others being the M3 and C63) that will post the quickest lap times, regardless of the track.

Now I know you are drinking the Kool Aid

[Gearhead999s]

Originally Posted by graider

i think alot of the fuel improvement on this rs5 is due to direct injection.

i wish bmw used direct inject on the 4l v, that would boost power and fuel economy at the same time.

And give you the chance to pay for inlet valve cleaning!

[footie]

Originally Posted by graider

i think alot of the fuel improvement on this rs5 is due to direct injection.

i wish bmw used direct inject on the 4l v, that would boost power and fuel economy at the same time.

The RS4 also had DFI so will you are correct in saying it's Direct Injection, the real reason for the improvement is the latest DFI technology.

I doubt BMW will ever built a hi-revving N/A without DFI.

[LV-E92M3]

what the??? are they gonna use v10???


Last week, we brought you the first spyshots of the future Audi RS5, as it was undergoing testing at the Nurburgring track in Germany. With the photos came the news that the new Rennsport will use either a 5.2l V10, the likes of the one found on the Audi RS6 Avant, or a 4.2l V8, the engine used on the Audi RS4.
The sad news is that the German manufacturer seems to have opted for the smaller engine, the 4.2l. As we told you, this V8 unit develops 450 horsepower and will be mated to either a seven speed DSG automatic or a six speed manual transmissions, automobile-magazine.fr reported.

The RS5 is built on a sports chassis and will use Audi's Quattro all wheel drive system. The chassis will most surely embody the manufacturer's new building philosophy of making the structure of their vehicles lighter than the previous generations.

Following those new guidelines, the next S5 line will weigh around 1,200 kg for the Audi S5 coupe and 1,360 kg for the S5 cabrio. This is the reason why Audi is not afraid of using a smaller displacement engine for its new RS5. Even if the 4.2l is far less powerful the 5.2l V10, overall performances are hoped to be at around the same levels.

As for release date and targeted market, nothing is sure so far. But until the RS5 gets here, fans will have to make do with the Audi A5 and S5, both of which will make their US debut at the upcoming New York Auto Show. The Europeans already saw the two at the 2009 Geneva Auto Show.




http://www.autoevolution.com/news/au...l-v8-5731.html

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by footie

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Now I'm not saying it's a rival to the GTR, that car was developed to compete with the 997tt but the RS5 will be the one out of the three (others being the M3 and C63) that will post the quickest lap times, regardless of the track.

I'll just leave this as we disagree.

[Radiation Joe]

Originally Posted by Gearhead999s

And give you the chance to pay for inlet valve cleaning!

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