supercharger reliability?

SflBimmer8484 · 09-10-2013, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jamze132

Just a question for folks living in the US.

What's the point of putting a SC on your DD M3?

I totally understand if you track it, but it seems like you'll never get full use of what the engine/SC combo is capable of in the US.

I've been living in Europe since 06' and find it absolutely fantastic to drive here. I never tuned or charged my M3 because I didn't feel it was necessary until all of the cool kids started to do it and I didn't want to be left behind.

I did get my X6M tuned and holy shit!

Why have an M as a daily driver? Its not necessary but it sure is fun.

Ezio · 09-10-2013, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamze132

Just a question for folks living in the US.

What's the point of putting a SC on your DD M3?

I totally understand if you track it, but it seems like you'll never get full use of what the engine/SC combo is capable of in the US.

I've been living in Europe since 06' and find it absolutely fantastic to drive here. I never tuned or charged my M3 because I didn't feel it was necessary until all of the cool kids started to do it and I didn't want to be left behind.

I did get my X6M tuned and holy shit!

what you think cops are lurking in every street or something?. There are times when you can give it some gas lol. its not the autobahn though.

You will never get full use out of a stock M3 on public US roads anyhow. Its all for the fun to have a very powerful car as a DD. I would love about 150 more HP from my stock M3 right now to drive everyday.

jamze132 · 09-11-2013, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ezio

what you think cops are lurking in every street or something?. There are times when you can give it some gas lol. its not the autobahn though.

You will never get full use out of a stock M3 on public US roads anyhow. Its all for the fun to have a very powerful car as a DD. I would love about 150 more HP from my stock M3 right now to drive everyday.

I'm totally with you, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

arter · 09-11-2013, 05:12 PM

32 track days and 25000 miles since I had my ESS535 kit put on.
No reliability issues. I do make sure that the engine oil in warmed up before I crank the rpm's up.

Only reliability issue I can think of is that you will want to change spark plugs at a shorter duration with a super charger. Since they are more exposed on the ESS kit, the time to do this is probably half the time it would take to DIY on a stock set up. ( $ 90 to DIY)

Chose the 535 as it would be less engine stress and I thought it would be enough. Scared me when I first got it. Now I am so used to it that I had to dyno the car to make sure it was still at full power ( bad sign that I might be looking at an upgrade). 535 adds about 10 mph to your end of straight speeds on tracks. Added the M24 oil cooler so I run cooler than stock ( Northeast environment)

SilentAttack · 09-11-2013, 05:23 PM

I want to eventually put a blower on my car too... Just gotta do it at the right time though

schnell325 · 09-11-2013, 05:40 PM

Ensure that, with whatever company you go with, have them clarify their warranty down to each specific component.

BMWM4 · 09-12-2013, 11:15 AM

looks like they only warranty the kit itself, which is nice but doesnt really mean much as thats not my concern. My concern is being out 30-40k with a blown motor

BuckRodgers · 09-12-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by arter

32 track days and 25000 miles since I had my ESS535 kit put on.
No reliability issues. I do make sure that the engine oil in warmed up before I crank the rpm's up.

Only reliability issue I can think of is that you will want to change spark plugs at a shorter duration with a super charger. Since they are more exposed on the ESS kit, the time to do this is probably half the time it would take to DIY on a stock set up. ( $ 90 to DIY)

Chose the 535 as it would be less engine stress and I thought it would be enough. Scared me when I first got it. Now I am so used to it that I had to dyno the car to make sure it was still at full power ( bad sign that I might be looking at an upgrade). 535 adds about 10 mph to your end of straight speeds on tracks. Added the M24 oil cooler so I run cooler than stock ( Northeast environment)

This

The VT1-550 kit is solid. Chanage plugs around 10K miles if you track often.

nullrouted · 09-12-2013, 12:03 PM

Make sure you get a good tune with it.

nullrouted · 09-12-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dashman

Someone? · 09-12-2013, 01:12 PM

I think pretty much everyone that thinks about SC there M3 have the same concerns, i do like the Active Autowerke best solely if not for anything else is the Air Filter set up, it runs a stock type set up that doesnt have the filter stickn out down buy the road suckn up water and dirt like the other kits do.

BMWM4 · 09-12-2013, 02:07 PM

ya Im thinking of having the rod bearings changed aswell, now im trying to see if there are any other weakness I should be aware of before I pull the plug? in the winter here in canada it should be fine aswell?

SflBimmer8484 · 09-12-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ibmike

I think pretty much everyone that thinks about SC there M3 have the same concerns, i do like the Active Autowerke best solely if not for anything else is the Air Filter set up, it runs a stock type set up that doesnt have the filter stickn out down buy the road suckn up water and dirt like the other kits do.

With the amount of rain we get down here and my own personal experience with floods and a cold air intake in that same position, I believe the stock like location is the best option for a daily.

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Originally Posted by BMWM3

ya Im thinking of having the rod bearings changed aswell, now im trying to see if there are any other weakness I should be aware of before I pull the plug? in the winter here in canada it should be fine aswell?

What are your miles?

M-powerMode · 09-14-2013, 05:32 PM

I'm new on the boards well particularly on this one and all I see is bearing clearance threads , what's the deal with this ? Is it really that crucial ? You would think BMWNA would enforce a recall no ?

JEllis · 09-14-2013, 08:26 PM

I would suggest reviewing each kits instructions. Take a look at the required modifications to the car.

CBS · 09-15-2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arter

32 track days and 25000 miles since I had my ESS535 kit put on.
No reliability issues. I do make sure that the engine oil in warmed up before I crank the rpm's up.

Only reliability issue I can think of is that you will want to change spark plugs at a shorter duration with a super charger. Since they are more exposed on the ESS kit, the time to do this is probably half the time it would take to DIY on a stock set up. ( $ 90 to DIY)

Chose the 535 as it would be less engine stress and I thought it would be enough. Scared me when I first got it. Now I am so used to it that I had to dyno the car to make sure it was still at full power ( bad sign that I might be looking at an upgrade). 535 adds about 10 mph to your end of straight speeds on tracks. Added the M24 oil cooler so I run cooler than stock ( Northeast environment)

+1 - two years and no problems with my kit. Not as many track days as Arter but close. Recently upgraded to the VT1 - 550. Still runs strong on the track. Possible further upgrade may be to add an intercooler as some future date.

W Cole · 09-16-2013, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nullrouted

Make sure you get a good tune with it.

Don't worry they are all the same.

SflBimmer8484 · 09-16-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by W Cole

Don't worry they are all the same.

Not all

BobS · 09-26-2013, 08:38 PM

The rod bearing issue is all over these forums.... As long as you do a oil analysis once in a while you should catch any issues right? I am thinking of going with AA when I pick up my used m.... Ive heard nothing but good things

regular guy · 09-26-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by M-powerMode

I'm new on the boards well particularly on this one and all I see is bearing clearance threads , what's the deal with this ? Is it really that crucial ? You would think BMWNA would enforce a recall no ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobS

The rod bearing issue is all over these forums.... As long as you do a oil analysis once in a while you should catch any issues right? I am thinking of going with AA when I pick up my used m.... Ive heard nothing but good things

Here's a pretty thorough explanation of the rod bearing clearance issues (and other things).

Official S65 Bearing Specification/Clearance Wiki

M-powerMode · 10-16-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by regular guy

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-powerMode

I'm new on the boards well particularly on this one and all I see is bearing clearance threads , what's the deal with this ? Is it really that crucial ? You would think BMWNA would enforce a recall no ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobS

The rod bearing issue is all over these forums.... As long as you do a oil analysis once in a while you should catch any issues right? I am thinking of going with AA when I pick up my used m.... Ive heard nothing but good things

Here's a pretty thorough explanation of the rod bearing clearance issues (and other things).

Official S65 Bearing Specification/Clearance Wiki

Thanks RG !

chris719 · 10-17-2013, 02:03 AM

Just FYI I doubt oil analysis will tell you much based on the data in that thread so far. UOA is nice but not a guarantee on any engine.

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BMWM4 First Lieutenant 29 Rep 335 Posts Drives: BMW M4 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Markham, Ontario iTrader: (1)	ya Im thinking of having the rod bearings changed aswell, now im trying to see if there are any other weakness I should be aware of before I pull the plug? in the winter here in canada it should be fine aswell?
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chris719 Major General 7370 Rep 7,326 Posts Drives: '08 M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	Just FYI I doubt oil analysis will tell you much based on the data in that thread so far. UOA is nice but not a guarantee on any engine.
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