BE bearings - progress reports

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by tdott

That's a load of crap, the p65 has a flat plane crank with a different firing order and dry slump. Cams and probably solid lifters. That doesn't seem "pretty much identical".

Maybe P65 is not the best example, but even then GT4 engines were identical and I am correct on E30 and E36 generations of M3s having DTM engines with street cams and intake while other parts being identical.
My point here is that 10w60 was used before in M1 and since its inception of M3 and continued doing so and the NA M engines were designed around the grade.

[Green-Eggs]

Originally Posted by Assimilator1

I thought the P65 had the same block as the S65?

In some ways they're the same, but other ways they are very different. P65 blocks have different casting numbers, made from different materials, and have a completely different bedplate. The cylinder heads have different construction too; cam followers for P65 are 35mm vs 33mm for S65. Bert has one P65 cam followers, and yes they are very different.

[Denny347]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

Nah, I payed 1750 all in for BE Bearings, ARP Bolts, and oil and filter.

I don't know how anyone makes money charging that. Hell, it's over a grand for all the parts/oil/gaskets. $700 in labor? Same day is super fast. That is still only $70 to $80 an hour labor rate.

[FrozenE92M3]

Originally Posted by Denny347

I don't know how anyone makes money charging that. Hell, it's over a grand for all the parts/oil/gaskets. $700 in labor? Same day is super fast. That is still only $70 to $80 an hour labor rate.

I think they have one dude working on each one who knows how to do it super quick since he does them all the time. I have a pic of the invoice breakdown. I was mistaken, I payed 1850. But still a great price.

[Denny347]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

I think they have one dude working on each one who knows how to do it super quick since he does them all the time. I have a pic of the invoice breakdown. I was mistaken, I payed 1850. But still a great price.

8 hours. Impressive. $100 an hour is a GREAT rate. Thanks for the breakdown.

[ha9981]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

I think they have one dude working on each one who knows how to do it super quick since he does them all the time. I have a pic of the invoice breakdown. I was mistaken, I payed 1850. But still a great price.

Were motor mounts already replaced?

Odd that the oil pan bolts were replaced.

[FrozenE92M3]

Originally Posted by ha9981

Were motor mounts already replaced?

Odd that the oil pan bolts were replaced.

I brought motor mounts and they threw them on. Oil pan bolts were replaced because they are aluminum. You don't have to replace them, but they stretch when installed so it's a good idea to replace them anyways.

[Scharbag]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

I brought motor mounts and they threw them on. Oil pan bolts were replaced because they are aluminum. You don't have to replace them, but they stretch when installed so it's a good idea to replace them anyways.

The bolts are not aluminum. They are steel M6 tightened to 10Nm. There is no way they stretch at that torque.

BMW loves to replace hardware for no reason. The oil pan bolts are fine to re-use unless you want to donate $100 to BMW for fun. Just make sure they are clean and the head is undamaged.

Cheers,

[Epoustouflant]

Originally Posted by Denny347

8 hours. Impressive. $100 an hour is a GREAT rate. Thanks for the breakdown.

70 to 80$ CAD up north 😁 that's 50 US.

[ha9981]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

I brought motor mounts and they threw them on. Oil pan bolts were replaced because they are aluminum. You don't have to replace them, but they stretch when installed so it's a good idea to replace them anyways.

Ugh someone gave bad advice and wasted $100.

If anything I would rather replace the control arm bolts. But even that is not necessary.

[wootloops]

EDIT: Disregard. Turns out they were Calico coated bearings and the original poster's shop was mistaken.



Saw this posted on the E9X M3 facebook group today.

Backstory from the poster is that he was rear-ended and the car started knocking. He thought he somehow spun a bearing, so took it to a shop for teardown. They pulled the bearings out, and to the their surprise they were all aftermarket bearings and in near perfect condition. The shop stated they were BE bearings with ARP bolts when they examined them (but I haven't seen a pic of the bottom of the shell for confirmation)

He says he has owned the car for about 25k miles and the previous owner never mentioned the bearings were replaced. So, we can assume these bearings have at least 25k on them. I would assume it's a bit more than that if the seller didn't advertise "bearings just replaced" when he was buying the car.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1281...8443104167719/

[PYE46M3]

Originally Posted by FrozenE92M3

I think they have one dude working on each one who knows how to do it super quick since he does them all the time. I have a pic of the invoice breakdown. I was mistaken, I payed 1850. But still a great price.

did you see the parts for yourself to verify BE bearings and ARP bolts were used? just curious and I am not trying to suggest anything

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by wootloops

Saw this posted on the E9X M3 facebook group today.

Backstory from the poster is that he was rear-ended and the car started knocking. He thought he somehow spun a bearing, so took it to a shop for teardown. They pulled the bearings out, and to the their surprise they were all aftermarket bearings and in near perfect condition. The shop stated they were BE bearings with ARP bolts when they examined them (but I haven't seen a pic of the bottom of the shell for confirmation)

He says he has owned the car for about 25k miles and the previous owner never mentioned the bearings were replaced. So, we can assume these bearings have at least 25k on them. I would assume it's a bit more than that if the seller didn't advertise "bearings just replaced" when he was buying the car.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1281...8443104167719/

Things you love to see

[drwankel]

Now thats how rod bearings are supposed to look.

[tbuck]

Originally Posted by drwankel

Now thats how rod bearings are supposed to look.

^THIS x1000!!

[derbo]

Originally Posted by wootloops

Saw this posted on the E9X M3 facebook group today.

Backstory from the poster is that he was rear-ended and the car started knocking. He thought he somehow spun a bearing, so took it to a shop for teardown. They pulled the bearings out, and to the their surprise they were all aftermarket bearings and in near perfect condition. The shop stated they were BE bearings with ARP bolts when they examined them (but I haven't seen a pic of the bottom of the shell for confirmation)

He says he has owned the car for about 25k miles and the previous owner never mentioned the bearings were replaced. So, we can assume these bearings have at least 25k on them. I would assume it's a bit more than that if the seller didn't advertise "bearings just replaced" when he was buying the car.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1281...8443104167719/

The engine oil in the post in facebook has metal in it. I wonder what happened to this engine prior to the BE bearings.

[Denny347]

Originally Posted by derbo

The engine oil in the post in facebook has metal in it. I wonder what happened to this engine prior to the BE bearings.

Exactly!!! Those BE Bearings look GREAT!!! I bet the previous owner spun a bearings and threw these in to get rid of it. Hence why they might not have mentioned it. I would like to see what the journals look like. I bet one of them is scored from a previous spun bearings, seeing the metal in the oil filter housing. I replaced my OEM bearings with BE back in January at 62k miles. It makes me so good seeing how they look after 25k. OEM will look worn at 25k.

[Assimilator1]

Originally Posted by wootloops

Saw this posted on the E9X M3 facebook group today.

Backstory from the poster is that he was rear-ended and the car started knocking. He thought he somehow spun a bearing, so took it to a shop for teardown. They pulled the bearings out, and to the their surprise they were all aftermarket bearings and in near perfect condition. The shop stated they were BE bearings with ARP bolts when they examined them (but I haven't seen a pic of the bottom of the shell for confirmation)

He says he has owned the car for about 25k miles and the previous owner never mentioned the bearings were replaced. So, we can assume these bearings have at least 25k on them. I would assume it's a bit more than that if the seller didn't advertise "bearings just replaced" when he was buying the car.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1281...8443104167719/

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Good find, I'll add it my list, thanks

[wootloops]

Originally Posted by derbo

The engine oil in the post in facebook has metal in it. I wonder what happened to this engine prior to the BE bearings.

Yeah. I wonder if that metal was always there or if it was after the accident.

The crank looked to be in rough shape, so it's very possible the previous owner spun a bearing and threw these in. If that's the case, it's surprising that the engine ran another 25k+ miles with a beat up crankshaft.

[jp1984]

It is comforting to see the aftermarket bearings holding up! Let's keep as many S65s on the road as we can!

[Green-Eggs]

Originally Posted by wootloops

Saw this posted on the E9X M3 facebook group today.

Backstory from the poster is that he was rear-ended and the car started knocking. He thought he somehow spun a bearing, so took it to a shop for teardown. They pulled the bearings out, and to the their surprise they were all aftermarket bearings and in near perfect condition. The shop stated they were BE bearings with ARP bolts when they examined them (but I haven't seen a pic of the bottom of the shell for confirmation)

He says he has owned the car for about 25k miles and the previous owner never mentioned the bearings were replaced. So, we can assume these bearings have at least 25k on them. I would assume it's a bit more than that if the seller didn't advertise "bearings just replaced" when he was buying the car.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1281...8443104167719/

It turned out that these are Calico coated OEM 702/703 bearings.

[wootloops]

Originally Posted by Green-Eggs

It turned out that these are Calico coated OEM 702/703 bearings.

Ah bummer. I was excited to see another example of BE Bearings with some miles.

Oh well. They still look good.