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07-07-2012, 09:11 AM | #111 |
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Nice Car.
I Remember when the E30 M3 came here you didn't need SE cars because of the built in exclusivity of any M car.
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sick! America finally gets a special edition and it is sweet!
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07-08-2012, 11:54 AM | #114 | |
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The E30 M3 sold so poorly in the US the E36 M3 almost didn't happen, now that is the true story.
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You would think if they use a track name ,it ll be more than just wheel,car,interior colors. Nothing like Ford's BOSS 302 Laguna Seca with actual performance upgrades at a reasonable price. They ve gotten so fn greedy it's never even once in a while about giving back or doin something special for their core fans. |
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People are just bitching to bitch; BMW can't do anything else unless they charge a boat load of money and then wouldn't be able to sell it. There is NO history of BMWNA getting any truly "special" models except for homologation purposes- which was the E46 M3 GTR and was subsidized to keep BMWNA and PTG in ALMS racing. The US requirements for bringing a new car are very cost prohibitive and make special editions that are more than window dressing extremely difficult unless they were to increase the cost of regular models to subsidize the performance models or sell them at a loss and that is not how BMW does things- Other brands may and that shows in their bottom line. The Z4 E86 M sold so poorly and BMWNA took such a hit on each one they "sold" there will not be another car like it... the E36 LTW is another example of that. People claim they "want" these cars but not many of these people can either afford them or ever buy them. Here is the list of limited runs- note how there is a history that the US does not get them and this will not be changing anytime soon. E30: Did the US get the M3 EVO? NO M3 EVO II? NO M3 Sport Evo? NO E36: Did the US get the Euro Engine? NO a lightweight version (LTW)? YES- needed trunk money to move it. M3 GTR? NO M3 EVO? NO E46: Did the US get the M3 GTR? Yes, at $220k a pop and sold ten for homologation. M3 CLS- NO M3 Competition Package- YES E9x M3 Did the US get the M3 GTS? NO M3 CRT? NO M3 Competition Package? YES And that is all folks..
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I wouldnt call an M car that weighs almost as much as an E90/92 NA high reving V8 M3, with almost identical performance, with a 135i,335i,535i's etc. N54 With an upgraded intake and cooling ... a Gift.
The E36 M3 LTW was reasonably priced btw to all the BMW employees in denial, the M3 is not what itused to be. The last M3's to be best in class in SCCA or NASA is tge E30/E36 M3. GM still makes 3,000 lb Corvettes, BMW doesnt make 3,100 lb M3's or a four seater car anymore. The M3 brand has been diluted. |
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The M3 is a great street car with sporting roots - it's also been called the benchmark again and again- but it's not a competitor to the Corvette, nor has it ever been (from the factory).
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Someone's drinking a lot of BMW Cool-Aid. Calling an car with a regular 3-series engine with the boost turned up a little is not an //M car. That car cost next to nothing to develop. It's a parts bin special. The limiting factor was the short life of the 1 series left. They could have sold a lot more 1M's if there was more time on the platform. That's why they're selling for $10,000 over.
So BMW gave us a "gift" that's limited production and allows the dealers to sell it for $10,000 over sticker. I'd say there that's a pretty good case for a market for a more performance oriented car. It's sad when Ford and GM get it, and //M doesn't. This is NOT the 1980's. Tracking is MUCH MORE POPULAR now. BMW's are MUCH MORE POPULAR now too. And I always go back to Porsche. Why is it they can bring all these limited run cars here and make money on them? I'm not talking GT3-RS, or 4.0. I'm talking cars like the Cayman R, Cayman Spyder; these cars have special engines that are rated higher than the standard engine. Porsche is way too small to be losing money on any car (well, not anymore since VW took over). .
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My point was the Vette stayed true to its roots,i wasnt comparing it to the M3. The E36 M3 was luxurious when introduced and a safe car compared to a top rated current kia/ 3 series. I have yet to meet an E30/36 M3 driver who is concerned of yhe safety of the car. Toyota/ Subaru just proved that you can still build a safe rwd 4 seater car that weighs around 3klb. The STI version of it ijs going to be amazing. |
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And BMW does get it. I don't think most people here do. As for the 1M being a parts bin special- umm what do you think everyone else does? They develop one drivetrain and share it, one brake system etc. The C63 is nothing more than a parts bin car etc. The Cayman S and R are both handicapped to not out perform the 911- The 1M with the M3 engine would have outperformed the M3 and that is a no-no in marketing world. But on many tracks it does outperform and it is smaller and weighs less so it is more nimble. As for the mark up- I know a lot of people that paid sticker (some even less) for the 1M and that is not a BMWNA issue as they do not control the dealer's final price nor can they because of franchise laws that is free market economy. How is this different? It's not. BMW: 328 335 335is M3 Porsche: Cayman Cayman S Cayman R
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The E30 M3 in full race spec and cage as developed by BMW Motorsport had less torsional rigidity than the first generation X5- and that comes directly from the head of BMW M development who was the head of that M3 project and the X5; Albert Biermann.
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Gotta love the 1///M hater comments, they'll never end, will they... I'll take the high road, and instead, post some pics of the FO M3 from this weekend
Color looks better/richer in person than the pics posted on the first page, but to me it is more about marketing than exclusivity. BMW has gotten good at the former, and their recent sales number only adds to inspiring the MBA recent grads employed at the Marketing Dept.
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How about takin this gorgeous color combo and calling it the Green Hell(nurburgring) edition?
The black seats,steering wheel will have green stitches,we ll throw a few cf trims and individual decals here and there. That's it,we should be able to milk another $25k jst that. |
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