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I know they run them on NSXs... That motor is low-displacement and revs quite high.
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Saw this kit and it looks very promising. The company is not new to Forced Induction applications either. They are late to the game, but this is another great form of FI for the M3. Tuning is the major obstacle they must perfect, but the parts are precision pieces.
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They certainly aren't pricing this kit to penetrate the market. At 13k or so, they are pricing the kit on par with already proven kits. As a value proposition its hard to take a 13k dive on an unproven kit, especially one based on entirely new architecture for the e9x M3.
Especially coming this late to the game, and at that price point, it will be hard for them to penetrate the market under the weight of heavy hitters like ESS, VF, and Gintani. While I'm curious to see what I think will be promising results, I (probably like most people here) sure as hell wouldn't guinea pig my car on an unproven kit, especially for 14k. They'll probably have to throw a lot of sponsorships out there to generate some kind of a sample size for the reliability of the kit. But can anyone really trust the veracity of someone's "unbiased" assesement of the kit or its reliability when they're getting sponsored (essentially paid). Especially with rumors of people being made subject to confidentiality (non-disclosure) agreements after certain kits, early in their development, blew engines. I like the promise of this kit, but I will reserve judgment not for the actual release, but after this kit has been on 50, 100, 200 cars and the data demonstrates that the kit is safe on the engine. The question is, can they get that many kits on the car before people are moving on to the next thing. After alll, this car is coming to the end of its lifecycle. -esquire
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Saying it's late in the game seems short-sighted somewhat. While a different market offering, HPF came into E46 M forced-induction a few years after the platform had been out, and saw great success. Another consideration is that it's not uncommon for force-fed E9X owners to switch between kits (often upgrading within the family) but to excuse the possibility of migration to another offering is just erroneous. Is there an equivalent sample size (100 - 200 cars) available for ESS kits? Gintani kits? VF kits? I'd argue that a smaller sample size, with greater emphasis on mileage would speak more appropriately to the capability of the kit. Lastly, thanks for signing your post, I was worried someone else logged into your account and posted from your handle. The redundancy is appreciated |
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FYI: The APR SC for the B7 RS4 uses an Eaton TVS blower from Harrop. The RS4's V8 is very similar in displacement and power delivery to the S65........ Just thought I'd throw that out there!!!
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I was wondering as to why the Audi supercharger on the Harrop site was APR branded... Good to know
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your dull sarcasm is noted. i sign most of my posts. since you seem so thrilled with them, here's another just for you. -esquire p.s. for what its worth. nothing i'm saying here is intended to knock the architecture or innovation of the kit, or a criticism on what kind of numbers it can put down. I'm actually very hopeful about them, and think they may be onto something promising. My comments are geared strictly to their price point and market penetration.
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sorry, what HPF kit was $5K?
doesnt MaxPSI just now have a kit coming out for E46..? as for changing kits, its not a very common practice, but all the current kits have been centrifugal, not PD. Completely different experience that will entice others. I actually think this kit will sell very well considering a complaint among many people, myself included, is that the M3 is anemic down low. |
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I'm looking forward to a proper tune as well! Thanks!
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Considering the M3 is still very expensive in other parts of the world, once M3s depreciate enough, there will probably be a new wave of 2nd and 3rd owner cars that will be interested in purchasing FI. It's not like only original owners mod or supercharge their cars.. derp. It's unfair to say this company is late to the game when it's the ONLY company offering a positive displacement style supercharger. Is it priced high? Remains to be seen.
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OMG!!!! AWESOME looking kit. I asked when I first bought my M3, why no one had done this and I recall someone said the motor wouldn't be able to handle all the low end tq so fast. Anyhow, I really hope this works out great. Looks stunning.
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The biggest disagreement I have with your post is the sample size remark; by merely claiming an extended duration, or marathon use is an erroneous method to prove resilience, is an erroneous remark in itself. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it is common for engine manufacturers to tout the abilities of a power-plant based upon the results of endurance type activities, recently the Ford V6 Ecoboost offering being just such an example. As a buyer I'm interested in knowing to what extend a system is capable of operating, and to a lesser extent how many may be in operation e.g., the capability of a system isn't compounded by the mere addition of systems in operation, that is a supplemental or reinforcing argument, not a primary.
I am also reluctant to believe that any one FI supplier within this market application has a sample size in the 100 - 200 car range, again, correct me if I am wrong, but that is quite a size-able grouping, both in willing end-user parties, and total cost associated. Please don't interpret this as my hoping for the poor-performance of any vendor in the market, I would love for that sample size to be accurate. I appreciate your point of view and thank you for responding to my remarks. I hope not to draw away from the excitement about the offering, and gather the same from you as well. I'm really looking forward to the coming developments within this kit. Quote:
Needless to say, once the numbers come in, I am very likely to become a customer The tuning remark has been highlighted a number of times in this thread, I'm a bit at a loss -- is the greatest hurdle the addition of displacement and tuning appropriate for it? |
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I think the poster below was trying to link us to something which demonstrated how many ESS owners are out there, but mis-linked. I seem to recall a thread listing all the known ESS owners - (at least known at the time the thread was created). Quote:
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Can't figure out what's going on with that. It's a link to the quoted information. When I clicked on it, I get sent to E90 post? Let's try it again http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...19&postcount=5 And updated original post. |
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I think he meant to link to THIS thread - http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436070
And that's just members on this forum, who have volunteered that they have a kit. Rest assured there are a lot of owners out there who either aren't active enough on this forum, or who choose to stay quiet about their kit, who own ESS kits but aren't on that list. That's not even mentioning people who are not even on this forum. Should easily take the list into the 100's.
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