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but then a smart buyer will look at how much the difference is between performance, features, luxury, etc....IMO the difference is not large enough for the price to be that high if it is competing in the M3, C63 market then the price should be in the same area.....when you get into the price range that the RS5 is projected to be in what is so exclusive about it compared to lets say a GTR?
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04-06-2010, 09:47 AM | #47 | |
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Compared to a GTR, it will be way more usable in daily driving (comfort, suspension), there won't be any "rice" or "JDM import" reference about it and the brand/heritage/experience will be more impressive than Nissan's. Few people who pay $80k for their cars are prepared to deal with Nissan service, but they will be treated like kings in Audi dealerships. It's like asking, for under $40k would you rather have an Evo/STI, a 370Z or a 135i? They have similar costs, performance and cater to the same age group. GTR vs. RS5 is the same, just $40k upwards.
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Loaded M3's are 70k, Mine had a 73k sticker (ouch, I know), with taxes I was at 80 out the door.
This RS5 will easily be 90k out the door and high optioned ones will be 95. The New M5 will have a similar price tag to this RS5. I know which one I'd rather have... |
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S5 price from Audi USA: $52k If we apply the same conversion ratio to the RS5, it should be around $73k starting price. Edit: But it may come significantly more loaded than the base M3.
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Audi's have been turbo'ed since 1979 in the Audi 200. The first engines from BMW to be turbo'ed was the N54. Audi began using DSC in 2003, BMW put M-DCT in as recently as 2009. Both began using direct fuel injection at about the same time, with Audi putting it in the A4 may be a year earlier than BMW. Technically, of course, BMW used fuel injection back in the 40's or something on aircraft engines... but that hardly counts. |
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Huh? What's the connection between DSC and DCT? |
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^ Precisely. We are talking road cars here and I believe that is the context in which the original statement was based.
The technology and requirements for diesels in terms of FI are not really directly related to gasoline engines, IMHO. See: http://www.wcengineering.com/articles/dieselturbo.html As for racing engines, it's hard to really say who is "in front" since it really depends on the series in which you compete. Sorry, I meant to type DSG. |
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You may argue that DSG is smoother and better and I would agree, but the impetus for the SMG at the time was racing, where those type of gearboxes were intensively used (as well as exotics such as Ferrari, Lamborghini etc.). Racing versions of the dual clutch boxes followed afterwards. Don't really see Audi being more technologically advanced really.
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I mentioned DSG/DCT not that it is better or worse than SMG, but because it is a technology that both companies have now embraced. No, and I don't think it is possible to say who is. Several technologies have been introduced by one before another since time began. However, I would disagree that Audi is "reactive" in its advancement/development of new tech. It think the are both competing brands but sometimes just get caught out be the gap between their own developments and the demands from drivers. (BMW with the SMG/DCT and Audi with their differetial, for example.) Also, it is kindda hard to see things clearly on some topic - such as the I6 and V8 previously mentioned: Quote:
Now if we limit ourselves to the scope of the post to which shiggy was replying, I'd say that regarding the application of FI technology, Audi has been more consistent than BMW. M division singularly refused to use turbos up to the introduction of the X5M/X6M. So if Audi were going to use forced induction in their performance cars, it would be incorrect to say that it is a "reaction". |
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In this respect, when Audi decided to build a high revving NA V8, they were playing catch-up to BMW which had always used them. Yes the Audi went with a V8, because that's the only engine block they had that could generate the requisite numbers. Mind you, I don't want to get into the silly argument about how much better an inline 6 is than a V6 - there have been plenty of amazing V6 engines produced that sort of contradict that fundamental BMW worldview. Which is why I said it didn't really matter that the Audi engine was V8 - it simply had to have that number of cylinders in order to produce the amount of reliable power the designers wanted. But the concept - high revving naturally aspirated - was something quite foreign to core Audi performance values, and to my eyes turned them into a "me too" kind of guy. The only Audis I would love to own were from the mad turbocharged 5 cylinder era. A Dahlbach tuned Audi Sport Quattro is a dream of mine... the RS5, not so much. I understand your point and don't want to turn this into a silly war, just expressing a different opinion...
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I am a bit surprised too to learn that the RS5 will be NA. They are trying to beat the M3, IMHO, but instead of doing it their own way (using forced induction, like in most other RS models) they've decided to go NA for whatever reason. Personally I think they've made a mistake trying to make an Audi version of an M3 (which I doubt would work) for reasons mentioned above. Which is strangely why I am interested in the RS5 - may be they have an ace up their sleeves with their new diff? The GT-R has shown us that awd can be used to quite surprising effects. Let's just wait and see if Audi can do something of similar potency.... |
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