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Going from a M3 to a 550 would be trading down.
Same with going from a tuned 335i to a 550, that's trading down in every performance aspect. Heck a stock 335i can run a bit in front of a 550i and out handle it too. So unless you guys are referring to luxury or space, going to a 550i would be going below a 335i from a true driver's/enthusiast point of view. You'd be better off getting a 535i and lightly modding it. Easily outrun and out handle the 550i, but have the extra space and luxury you may desire. |
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I think I'll get more respect from a stock 550i than a all out modded 335i too!
but what the heck, respect is earn and not bought Ghee! I think I just contradicted myself hahaha |
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01-07-2009, 06:38 AM | #272 |
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M3 vs. 135i
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M3 vs. stock 135i; - 0-60?: M3 wins (sometimes close to call) - 0-200km/u: M3 wins (huge difference) - accelaration?: 135i wins (like VI/V/VI 60-100, 100-120, .. etc) - topspeed?: even (both limited to 250kmh) - track?: M3 wins (big gap) - sound?: M3 wins (much better) M3 vs. mod. 135i (example ACS1.35i Schnitzer 360ps and suspension) - 0-60?: 135i wins - 0-200km/u: M3 wins (sometimes close to call) - accelaration?: 135i wins (huge difference) - topspeed: 135i wins (only because topspeed limiter is removed) - track?: M3 wins (small gap) - sound?: M3 wins (much better) Daily difference: The 135i ACS has always power, at any rev. The M3 must be above 5000 rpm. to have it 'alive'.. |
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01-07-2009, 09:13 AM | #277 |
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hi robin, yes ofcourse it is Ferdinand . O well!, what a richness for the M3 club that I am joining them ... lol. I have compared my acs1.35i with a M3V8 (a white one with red leather interiour!! OMG ). It was a fun day. Still happy with your M3 Robin, maybe we should do some tests (I will ask Andre to drive my 135i lol) to compare. Or maybe not, it's boring also.
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LOL Ferdinand, yes we have to meet, and Robert(Romo) as wel. Comparing my E90M3 vs his E92 M3 vs Andre's 09 E90 M3 fully not loaded(CSL ultralight ROFLOL) vs your 187mph Schnitzer 135i, sundaymorning 8 o clock somewhere on the A6 Almere-Amsterdam.
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Yes, yes, yes!! Lets race (on natural ice! nearby Heerenveen) Skitterend! We could help Andre to remove his entire M3 interiour that day . And don't fight over my acs1.35i. You all want to drive that insane machine, I understand that, but just wait when it's your turn But I have play music on comming sunday (cannot be on the kartbaan to). Lets make - indeed - an appointment soon. |
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hows this against your 135. |
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Not as accurate as you might think 135i stok vs. M3 the flexible tests: - We've done serveral runs. over and over agian. In lows gears, the 135i is always faster (from 80-100, 80-120, 80-140). The explanation for that is simple ofcourse: the 135i has more torque at low revs and weight less. At higher revs, the M3 is always faster. Highspeed: - O, lol, the M3 is 258 (woow). The brochure tells something different.. but anyway, the M3 is the big winner here ACS1.35i vs. M3 0-60: Again, the acs1.35i was always faster. If it would be diferent, ofcourse I would say, but it isn't. Some numbers (not mine) but from Auto Bild Sportscar 0-100 kmh acs1.35i 4.9 / M3 5.2 1/4 mile acs1.35i 13.26 / M3 13.49 60-100kmh (IV) acs1.35i 4.3 / M3 5.2 80-120kmh (V) acs1.35i 5.0 / M3 6.2 80-120kmh (VI) acs1.35i 6.2 / M3 7.7 Anyway. Those stupid tests between both wonderful cars, is nonces ofcourse. There is a big difference in driving experiences though between them: the M3 sounds, and is a sportsmachine: high rev's, wonderful sound, wondeful handling, great power, lot's of emotion, etc. The 135i, even the Schnitzer version, is a higway cruiser, NOT a sportscar. No emotions like the M3, but a 'no noncense BMW product'. But, because of it's lighter package and also wonderful engine (torque!), it beats the M3 in flexibility. No doubts about that. The 335i (chipped) wil do the same. But on the track, the M3 is the king. Have fun! ACS1.35i Last edited by BMW-driver; 01-09-2009 at 09:03 AM.. |
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Here's a comparison using dyno data from www.rri.se (note I used the 335i dyno data for the 135i) of the following cars:
The graph shows the difference in distance over time from a rolling start at 50km/h in 2nd gear. The M3 MT is the reference car (hence is always at 0 in the graph). The speeds at t=30s above the legend show both M3 cars are travelling much faster at this point in time, although the modified 135i is still ahead of the M3 MT car. NOTE: If you add 20% instead of 30% to the stock power of the 135i engine (which is probably closer to the ACS 135i), the M3 MT is well ahead at t=30s |
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I think your spreadsheets may still need quite a bit of work.
It looks as if your spreadsheet is showing the tune only 135i will accelerate harder than the M3 for the first 14.8 seconds of the run. Which if starting at 50 kph to begin with 15 seconds later and you should be traveling at least triple that speed or more. Then suddenly within .3-.4 seconds fall behind. Then suddenly decrease it's accelerating for 2.5 seconds, then start accelerating a bit slowly for a bit, then slowly drop off, then suddenly start decelerating?? I've seen tune only 335i's hang with M5's from 40-100+ mph and by 150 mph only be 2 or so CL's back, and they are faster especially up top. Your spreadsheet looks like the tune only 135i would be well ahead till 120 mph then suddenly start falling behind and by 150 or so be bus lengths behind. Last edited by Driver72; 03-19-2009 at 10:31 AM.. |
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