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1- The differences in numbers based on a STOCK M3 VS STOCK 335. (A baseline) Of course AFTER you modify your vehicle its performance will change. You are saying change the tires to make the numbers better? Perhaps someone should run a test with identical rubber. That wasn't the point. I was simply pointing out the differences in STOCK VS STOCK. What you get from the factory. Then we can assess what adding a chip will do. 2- Pointing out that after you add the chip, the only thing that will change is the acceleration of the 335. The other areas the chip will not help you out in. (Braking/Handling/etc) Remember this is after all "chipped 335i as fast as m3(Stock)", which I think we all agree the answer is YES(For a straight line). A Chipped 335 can be as fast/faster than an M3. Then people got on about straight line vs tracking or take it to the twisties... Then the answer to "chipped 335i as fast as m3(Stock)" is a little different. Then it becomes at what cost does it take to modify a 335i to outperform the M3 in all categories. 3- PERFORMANCE means different things to different people. Some people like to get fast drag times, others like to track their cars, gas milage, reliability, warranty, bang for buck, others like XYZ. So again this is subjective. What brings a smile to your face, might not bring a smile to the next guys face. There are areas where the 335i will outshine the M3 just like there are areas where the M3 will outshine the 335i. It all comes down to what's your definition of Performance and how you value each area that defines performance and how these two cars stack up. So for you to say that the 335i is faster than the M3, using your parameters, you think so and if someone uses theirs they think not. If you really want to have an argument over which vehicle is faster, it's probably better to get the lot of you together, and define what parameters define performance, then go out there and do the tests and acquire the data to see which one really is faster. Otherwise... It's really pointless to continue this... The main point of the post was: Drive whatever brings a smile to your face. I drive a '01 325ci. It brings a smile to my face every time I drive it. It performs perfectly for what I need it to do. |
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well, after thinking the M3 would actually beat a tuned 335i...
...this is what happen to me in my (Just chipped) 135i. A guy that lives a few blocks from me has an E60 M5, I saw him on the highway the other day and came up behind him. He saw me and he punched it, I did as well. He got about 1/2 a car head start on me from 60 MPH, by 100MPH I was dead even with him. After that I started to pull on him. I thought he might have been in P400 ( I was shocked ) he wasnt he was in P500. Spoke to him earlier today, he was as shocked as I was. The next day after that I was driving to Philly and spotted a guy (Mid 30's) driving his M6 like an ass. Clean highway almost no one for the next mile. I pursed him and got next to him. At 80 MPH we both take off and hit 130mph I gained a good 1 1/4 car on him. We slowed down and he smiled and gave me the thumbs up. Than we slowed down to 60 MPH and did it again. this time we hit 150 and the out come was almost the same. That night i told my buddy about it and he didnt beleive me. (This is where it got interesting) He wanted to run me with his Kawi Ninja 636. I agreed and we went on the highway. We did 2 runs from 40 to 155mph where i hit the limiter. Both runs we were dead even the whole entire way.... Wow... I have seen the vids of the M3 getting its ass handed to it by M5's and M6's so I strongly beleive the M3 will loose to a tuned 335i.
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Wow!! That 135 sure is fast. Makes sense given light weight and say 365 bhp?
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we are gonna dyno soon. But from what I am being told its more like 360-385 WHP.
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Yes, I think your right, I read about a Dinan software with intercooler etc... that can produce an amazing +/- 400bhp on the 335, don't see how that would be different on the 135.
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1) Understood, a test with identical tires would narrow the gap somewhat, the runflats are crap. 2) Totally agree. 3) Agreed, performance has to be defined. -This whole thread is a testament to both cars. The standard 3 was never similar to the "performance" of the M3 until now. |
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i always had my opinion that no matter how fast a chipped 335i/xi may be, it will never ever ever feel like an M3..or an M for that matter..it just wont
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Not that I dont believe you(135i) but I don't believe in highway races because sometimes the other person doesnt know your racing or not. Just my suggestion.
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I think the warranty issue is due to how close the M3 and 335i come in performance. It's not like the tunes magically appeared a few months ago, although, it did take some time to develop and proliferate through to the users I think BMW is doing this to protect the M3 brand right now. I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but it sorta makes sense.
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Tune your car and the responsibility should fall with the owner and the tuning company, not the manufacturer. The car is designed to cope with the specced output, not with an extra 30~50% as in some cases, the clutch, gearbox, diff, in fact everything from the engine to the things that moves because of it shouldn't be covered if the car is tuned.
Call me a killjoy but I feel that is what the M3 was designed for, to fill that gap for those interested in a bit more performance. Like seriously, who here believes BMW should foot the bill for someone fucking up their car because they tuned it. Be a man and except your responsibilities for your actions. |
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If you decide to tune your car, you should be man enough to accept responsibility for engine issues that may have been caused by the tune... Jason
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Put 12 grand into a mustang (or WRX) and how will it do against a 335 stock?
The only difference is those cars are made for mods, and if you want a fast BMW you can buy one from the factory..... they have M's on them. |
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