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Replaced with BE. I've seen worse, but happy to have them done. Worst wear was on the upper of #7, which is what the detailed picture is of, just a small amount of copper coming through.
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Yeah, you don't know until you're in there, and at that point might as well refresh them no matter what. Looks like I might have gotten lucky on the stacked clearances from the factory. Based on what I can infer previous owner wasn't an enthusiast, but they did take the car into BMW for maintenance on a frequent enough basis that I was comfortable with the cars history. The state of the bearings at least let's me know they weren't idiots with the car (probably no cold engine redlines out of the neighborhood...), which is nice!
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Yea relatively good for pre LCI S65 bearings, but still more wear than their should be.
Good that you've had them done . Green-eggs Thanks, sounds awesome, must be insane to drive!
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On average, expect to pay approximately $2500 to replace the rod bearings on the S65 engine - which includes parts and labor. It will also depend upon where you live.
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We really only have only have two options for shops that do this service in MN that I know of. One is Orr Autosport (the shop that did my bearings), and the other is Eurotech. Orr normally uses VAC for their service so you have to special request BE bearings. Eurotech uses/recommends OEM, don't know if you can request your bearings of choice with them, you'd have to ask them.
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It's best to avoid any shop that replaces a problem with a problem. Moreover, it shows a lack of knowledge on the issue and proper solution. BE Bearings are the proper solution IMO.
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Remember that there are quite of lot of horrible people out there that would blame an unrelated issue or catastrophic failure on service they recently had, especially RB work. The owner of that shop posted on FB not too long ago that someone tried to blame the side mirror rusting and falling off their car because the shop took it through a car wash after service. |
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It's true their are plenty of dick customers out there, but that's no reason to stick with OEM bearings.
You can quite imagine that someone who has OEM bearings fitted there, and then later blows up their engine and finds out about dubious OEM clearances, that they would blame the shop for fitting them being the problem, even if it's absolutely nothing to do with the rod bearings! So it can cut both ways when someone wants to blame the shop. joe6mt Yea don't look too bad for S65 bearings, at least from what we can see as 1/2 of them are covered in oil And yep, no more worrying as to whether the OEM clearances are ok or not!
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Got bearings replaced last week at MPorium (shout out to Coulter and the crew for working me in during a visit). Pics below - not the worst on here but certainly not great.
Original owner, no mods or track days, with that low mileage oil changes are on time rather than miles and have been done every year with 10W60. Car has never been over 3K before oil was fully warmed up. Last 4 Blackstone reports showed copper at 5, 4, 3, 3 ppm. We intend to keep the car long term and decided to go ahead with this rather than wait, glad we did.
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Yea relatively not bad for early S65 bearings, good their gone anyway!
Btw, re oil analysis, more importantly (at least until they've worn through the lead), what were the lead levels?
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Lead was 9, 3, 6 and 8 in order most recent to oldest.
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1000 km First Test done at first track day with BE, everything is OKAY!
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