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[T Bone]

Sucks.....

I spoke to a BMW suspension engineer last weekend at M School and he told me there were no other reason than cost that is causing BMW to use these stupid calipers.

Rotors are killer but calipers are jokes.

[E90330iS]

Originally Posted by matsarge

There are plenty in that range or within a foot.

335i - 114 ft.
E90 330i - 111 ft.
E46 M3 - 112 ft
M5- 114 ft
350Z -113 ft
RX8 - 114 ft
G35 coupe - 112 ft.
C6 - 110 ft.

Wow are you sure E90 330i stops faster than the E46 M3 and the 335i?

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by E90330iS

Wow are you sure E90 330i stops faster than the E46 M3 and the 335i?

according to edmunds...
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/compa...2/page005.html

Motor Trend got 115 in their test so it's very possible they were able to get 111 in the right conditions.

[jworms]

Originally Posted by matsarge

There are plenty in that range or within a foot.

335i - 114 ft.
E90 330i - 111 ft.
E46 M3 - 112 ft
M5- 114 ft
350Z -113 ft
RX8 - 114 ft
G35 coupe - 112 ft.
C6 - 110 ft.

point made, though you also proved my point

[Park2670]

Will E90Fleet ever stop by again?

[E90Fleet]

Originally Posted by Park2670

Where did you get your information? Maybe some part numbers? I wanna try and order a set and see what happens.

From BMW

Parts would be on hold since the car isnt launched yet
Being M3 parts they should also requier a M3 VIN and owner ID when they are released to order

[sg335]

Originally Posted by ILC32

Maybe I do not drive my E46 M3 as hard as some of you guys (those top 9% E90Fleet apparently fits into), but the calipers themselves have never seemed to me to be a weak point of the car. I had no issues with repeated hard braking from 120-130 for turn 5 at Road America, which is a second-gear turn at the bottom of a fairly steep hill.

All I did to "prepare" the car was to remove the brake duct panels, install stainless steel lines, and replace the pads and fluid.

I think multi piston setups are not necessary in the E46 M; no one outside BMW knows yet about the E92 of course.

To me, Brembos and similar setups are more for bling than performance in non-race applications. They are expensive, add weight, and have little real benefit under most conditions, including DE-type conditions.

Please clarify your comment about BBK's "adding weight". BBK's calipers and rotors weigh less than stock counterparts and reduce the unsprung weight of the car, all which benefit handling. The E36 brakes were very good for track work with race pads and euro floating rotors and served me well for many years without upgrading to a BBK on this car. Then again, my car weighed 2,800 lbs.

[ILC32]

Originally Posted by sg335

Please clarify your comment about BBK's "adding weight". BBK's calipers and rotors weigh less than stock counterparts and reduce the unsprung weight of the car, all which benefit handling. The E36 brakes were very good for track work with race pads and euro floating rotors and served me well for many years without upgrading to a BBK on this car. Then again, my car weighed 2,800 lbs.

Of course lighter weight benefits handling.

Bigger rotors and calipers weigh more than smaller rotors and calipers.

Please provide support for your assertion that a BBK weighs less than the stock setup.

[Park2670]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

From BMW

Parts would be on hold since the car isnt launched yet
Being M3 parts they should also requier a M3 VIN and owner ID when they are released to order

I wonder how a customer of mine picked up M5 wheels before the E60 was released... Guess I will have to contact him!

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by E90Fleet

From BMW

Parts would be on hold since the car isnt launched yet
Being M3 parts they should also requier a M3 VIN and owner ID when they are released to order

Isn't this BMWs policy ONLY for CSL parts, not regular M3 parts?

[Park2670]

Originally Posted by swamp2

Isn't this BMWs policy ONLY for CSL parts, not regular M3 parts?

I always thought it was just CSL parts too... Ive seen people order just M3 wheels for non M cars. For the E46 at least.

[MisterBMW]

Originally Posted by T Bone

Sucks.....

I spoke to a BMW suspension engineer last weekend at M School and he told me there were no other reason than cost that is causing BMW to use these stupid calipers.

Rotors are killer but calipers are jokes.

cost?

[Jason]

Added screen capture from the M3 Product Information Bulletin to E90Fleet's first post above.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59670

[mkoesel]

The Canadian brochure calls the 18" "Style 219M". Anyone know why the different name? Are they the same wheel?

[garthbo]

Hey guys. I'm finalizing my order here in the Philippines and still deciding on the wheels. There are two choices for 19" and they are:

1) M Light alloy wheels Double Spoke style 225 M 19" - additional Euros 479
or
2) M Light alloy wheels Double Spoke style 220 M 19" - additional Euros 1,321

I've only seen the 220 M style and not the 225 M style. Can anyone post a pic of the 225 M style? Quite a big price difference especially if you consider our weak currency here in the Philippines. Thanks.

[southlight]

Originally Posted by garthbo

Hey guys. I'm finalizing my order here in the Philippines and still deciding on the wheels. There are two choices for 19" and they are:

1) M Light alloy wheels Double Spoke style 225 M 19" - additional Euros 479
or
2) M Light alloy wheels Double Spoke style 220 M 19" - additional Euros 1,321

I've only seen the 220 M style and not the 225 M style. Can anyone post a pic of the 225 M style? Quite a big price difference especially if you consider our weak currency here in the Philippines. Thanks.

Style 225M are the wheels for the M sport package for the regular E92. You can see them in the E92 brochure. But these wheels have different dimensions, are you sure that they're available for the M3?

Best regards, south

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by southlight

Style 225M are the wheels for the M sport package for the regular E92. You can see them in the E92 brochure. But these wheels have different dimensions, are you sure that they're available for the M3?

Best regards, south

Yeah that doesn't make any sense. The offset will be all wrong on the 225M wheels.

[garthbo]

I checked the option list again and saw that there was a tick (x) mark beside this 225 style wheel option available for the M3. Hmmm.... maybe a typo.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ILC32

Maybe I do not drive my E46 M3 as hard as some of you guys (those top 9% E90Fleet apparently fits into), but the calipers themselves have never seemed to me to be a weak point of the car. I had no issues with repeated hard braking from 120-130 for turn 5 at Road America, which is a second-gear turn at the bottom of a fairly steep hill.

All I did to "prepare" the car was to remove the brake duct panels, install stainless steel lines, and replace the pads and fluid.

I think multi piston setups are not necessary in the E46 M; no one outside BMW knows yet about the E92 of course.

To me, Brembos and similar setups are more for bling than performance in non-race applications. They are expensive, add weight, and have little real benefit under most conditions, including DE-type conditions.

I'm going to have to agree here, and I tracked my E46 M3's fairly often at Willow Springs/Buttonwillow.

[LambOfGod]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm going to have to agree here, and I tracked my E46 M3's fairly often at Willow Springs/Buttonwillow.

You guys need to drive some other car out there. My 99 M3 had awesome breakes and my new 335i also stops on a dime. The brakes are the main reason I went back to BMW. I agree that the multi-piston caliper look much cooler and the M3 should have had them.

[PrinceSmooth]

anyone got the tires sizes for the 19's?

[BoB-O]

Hey all,

I've seen two colors for the 18" wheels. One is a dark smoky color and the other is more silver. Anyone know the difference? I heard the dark ones are what ended up on the production units. Is this true?

Thanks,
BoB