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02-26-2007, 10:13 AM | #1 | |
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More M3 News - 420hp DSG M3
Here's somemore M3 findings. From this mornings Autobog. DSG? 420HP?
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/02/26/4...ing-to-geneva/ Quote:
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02-26-2007, 01:06 PM | #6 |
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the new M// has alot of classy competitors... it just really depends on the persons taste... cause theres people whos eye prefer the Audi, some the BMW, some the lexus...and some even the Caddy so its crazy... alot of fine cars will be on the road in the next year
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02-26-2007, 01:34 PM | #8 |
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DSG-esque…. ? I’d be kind of surprised since this is the first of this we have heard and the fact that the car should be anywhere from 3-12 months away. Seems kind of late to make such a major change/upgrade.
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02-26-2007, 02:31 PM | #9 |
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Man i cant wait im so fired up about the m3 after for the first time in my life experiencing a smg gearbox in the gallardo(my friends). Each time you change a gear it feels like someone just kicked you in the back, simply amazing. Now my question how is the dsg gearbox going to be diffirent/better than the smg. Sorry for my stupid question.
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02-26-2007, 04:39 PM | #11 | |
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Don't believe the DSG rumors. However, your friend's Gallardo is nothing like BMW's SMG; it's far superior! DSG is basically Porsche designed and utilized by Audi, which of course, is offered on the Lamborginis. DSG is a refined dual clutch tranny, whereas BMW offers their version of the same theme; albiet with a single clutch. Both, of course, are sans clutch pedal. DSG allows the subsequent gear to be "pre-selected" or "engaged", thereby reducing much of the gear change before you actually make it. (I.E. If you are accelerating the next higher gear is selected for the anticipated shift and if you are decelerating the opposite occurs.) The current Ferrari (430) and contemporary Lambos use it, as will Porsche (beginning with the 2008 997/911) in the very near future. None of the exotic car manufacturers are using SMG technology. Each tranny is still a manual gearbox, but the clutching is done with the system's electronics/hydraulics. Neither transmission has a torque convertor; which robs some horsepower. I'm confident that my statements will offend some BMW fans, but it's how I feel based on what I've experienced and read about the two. I love M3's but wish BMW would replace SMG with DSG or similar tech to DSG. I really doubt that this will happen anytime soon, but I can still hope for it. If anything less than a DSG type tranny is offered, I will pick a traditional stick over SMG any day; and some purist will take the stick over any tech that takes from the experience of driving. Unless full boogie, a stick is far more fun, imo. |
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02-26-2007, 05:08 PM | #12 |
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I am confident that BMW is developing a system with DSG functionality.
By the way, DSG was NOT developed by Audi/VW or Porsche*. DSG was developed by Borg Warner and was simply licensed by Audi/VW. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox *Porsche did develop a PDK gearbox with similar functionality for racing purposes years ago, but as far as I know it was never adapted for road car use. |
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02-26-2007, 05:36 PM | #13 | |
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DSG is clearly superior for even faster shifts, better fule consumption and acceleration. Although DSG is the future some folks have complained about the current systems not being able to preselect the next gear properly under all combinations of accleration, braking, shifting, etc. In the meantime SMG like transmissions are still indeed state of the art and are still used in F1. |
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keep in mind, in the 2007 BMW F1.07 (there brand new formula 1 car), BMW has a new "seamless shift" gear box... a box that preselects the next gear and hence shifts "seamlessly."
Maybe BMW will do with this gear box what they did with the SMG... take their technology directly from their Formula 1 car. After all, it is all within the BMW M group! |
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i'm keeping my fingers crossed for the DSG. and while i'm at it, i'll keep my fingers crossed for an interface more seamless than i-drive!
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02-26-2007, 11:09 PM | #21 |
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Yes, but people into the RS4 play the "4 door card", plus the M3 has a much more loyal following than the RS4, since we last saw the RS4 stateside in '01.
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