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Great work! You represented our community well! Nice knowing you put Lutz in his place. Thats what he gets for challenging the world. (I do have tons of respect for Lutz, he has done great things for GM!)
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Great press for GM.
People that don't know cars will see the time sheet and just see that a Cadillac beat two BMW's. That is all GM wanted. Honestly, regular people won't know who any of these drivers are. Last edited by M3_WC; 10-30-2009 at 03:49 AM.. |
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What this proves more than anything is that there is no substitute for someone handy behind the wheel and all this arguing about which car was quicker means jack shit in the real world.
I bet 95% of drivers would be slower in an M3, CTS-V, M5, RS4, etc than a professional in something with 2/3rd the PTW. |
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Glad to see you had some seat time in the CTSV - great car, very fast and feels even faster (similar to how the M5 feels much faster than the M3). Would be curious to see your opinion after some timed laps in the CTSV - My experience in the M3 is that if feels much slower than it is. All in all it was mission accomplished for GM - tons of media hype and the time sheet they are showing, show's you fourth. Most people wont get that you techinically finished first, but that's fine. There are a lot of people who would have never even considered buying a CTSV and taking it to a track (just like most wouldnt compare and M3 to a CTSV). Maybe a few people with think differently now! All in all this is the type of hype GM needs right now. Thanks for sharing your experience - hope to hear more and glad to hear you had a great day! |
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Let's all be serious here... This challenge was open to "ANYONE" with a stock production sedan in the competing class of a CTS-V. No pro drivers showed up with a car so that's life. It would have been nice to see a "Paul Gerard" or a "Will Turner" pilot a M3, M5, or RS4 on this course. But it didn't happen. The good that came out of all this is that a GM icon wrote a check that he could not cash. He has racing experience, so does Michael C. AFAIK, neither are pros in a regular racing series. Neither are manufacturer test drivers. And Michael drove his very own E90 M3 to what seems to be a CTS-V stomping ground and stomped Bob by nearly 6 secs. All this with only 2 laps at his disposal before the brakes gave up the ghost. |
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Yep. So his power-to-weight ratio was 1hp:7.6lb. While Michael's was 1hp:8.4lb. So he had about a 10% advantage there.
That would definitely help on these long straights. And let's be real here - a three minute time trial is not exactly going to favor age. Sure, if this were an endurance race, that's a clear disadvantage for Lutz. But it wasn't. Experience and capable machinery should be the biggest factors here, and on paper Lutz had the advantage in both areas. Obviously this Michael guy is for real and probably more info about him will be coming out over the next couple days. Another thing about the final results of the challenge that struck me is that both the press guys ended up in a CTS-V. I guess that's all they had available perhaps, but I find it a bit fishy that the one press guy who was going to drive an XF-R ended up dropping out prior to the challenge. Were they going to force him to drive a CTS-V? I haven't dug around the internet to find out yet, but I am very curious on the details of these finer points. |
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Yeah, and you know what - speaking of that one, I think the timing here could not be better. Because I sincerely hope those folks running that gig are able to muster up some takers with a Panamera Turbo and E63 to go with the CTS-V and M5 (and an XF-R too) so we can have a true super-sedan challenge. |
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Lots of propaganda (successful), just goes to show how great the CTS-V is and how GM went bankrupt to build it. The development costs can never be recouped at the sale price of the vehicle so it was artificially subsidized by other (sub compact) model price inflations- something BMW refuses to do. The CTS-V is a great product in terms of performance, there is no mistaking that and even pro-driver vs. pro-driver on the same track the CTS-V comes out on top as was evidence by last years race of ///M5 vs. CTS-V. No offense to Bill but he is not the one who should have driven the ///M5 last year as he has limited experience in it and it might have been closer with someone else behind the wheel. Personally I was more impressed with how the ///M3 did when you compare the actually hp/weight ratio. Give the thing a 200 lbs. diet and the times would be closer. -M
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If the age difference is 50-60 vs. 20-30, I'd say you may be right, in the case of very fit 50-somethings. If the age difference is 80 vs. 20-30, I'd say you're pushing it to say age is no factor, even on a 60-second lap, or let's say a solo course. BTW, Heinricy ain't no "spring chicken" either (60).
I don't care how "fit" the 80 year-old is, and, of course, there are individual differences. Unfortunately for all of us, those physiological processes associated with aging, which cause coordination and reaction-time loss, are essentially immutable. Of course, the deterioration you experience with age, is over the baseline you began with, and that caveat must be inserted. There's an awful lot of scientific research in this area, and it's related to what I do for a living.
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Great theory - but you are completely speculating and no one knows for sure what would have happened. It's too bad they didn't swap cars and see. But of course that would never happen given that this was a GM run event and Heinricy is GM's driver.
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Yeah, it was always clear that GM stacked this in their favor but on that last point, certainly the press guys didn't go out and buy a CTS-V, right? I am sure GM was happy to provide them a car as long as - of course - they were willing to drive a CTS-V. That's probably a big reason the Jalopnik guy dropped out - because he wouldn't drive the V, and plus the hush-hush factor that you mention.
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I would like a CTS-V to park next to my M3.
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I have been to a few track days and a guy is running one with a supercharger and meth kit - very quick and sounds amazing on the straight away under hard acceleration! Great Car - maybe when I am 60+ and GM gets their sh*t together I will want one too. |
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I usually lap him at least once in a 15 minute session also
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