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SS Lines (any real difference)
Anyone like certain SS Lines better then others for specific reasons?
Fitment? Arent they all from the same place? (BF Goodrich) Just wondering if anyone knows of a real difference between all these SS Lines: StopTech, BFG, these look nice (pricey, tho)http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305157 |
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Source: http://www.goodridge.net/
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As long as it they are SS, made to fit and have a protecting coating, pretty much all the lines are the same to me. |
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thought they are the same company |
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I installed the Stoptech lines and upgraded to Castrol fluid from ATE at the same time as I was having issues with pedal feel after hot laps. Those modifications improved pedal feel and it had less travel. Since I did those mods at the same time, I can't say which one caused what exactly.
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These hoses are easily accessible, the subframe does not need to be touched. The AP kit came with all 6 hoses, I would assume Goodrich is doing the same for those that purchase seperately.
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Dave Zeckhausen, who is a high volume distributor of Stoptech products, made the comment about the need to lower the subframe when I posed this exact question earlier this year in this thread: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257578 So, who is right? Have you replaced that part yourself without touching the subframe?
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Yes, I realize the other lines metal and don't need to be modified. Sounds like Tom is right and that there is no need to mess with the subframe. I was told that wasn't possible (see the thread I referenced above). Maybe Dave Zeckhausen was thinking about the E46 M3 or another car? Who knows...I'd better purchase those 2 parts seperately and install them then. Thanks.
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Yes - those were replaced when the AP7100/7150 BBK kits were installed.
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I will post this info in the other thread to clarify. Thanks.
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Good thread. I am planning to add SS lines next time I flush the brake fluid, probably next spring for the beginning of the driving season.
On a related note, if SS lines are so much better, why doesn't BMW include them in the stock setup? What are the pros and cons of SS and Rubber lines, besides cost of course? Thanks.
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I doubt you can feel ANY difference with just lines, when you're braking with your foot aided by a booster (vacuum assisted). I can BARELY feel the difference on a motorcycle, which has no booster and we're braking with our fingers. Of course the only exception is BMW bikes with servo brakes (like my K1200), where I wouldn't bother either.
But the other aspects, like degeneration over time, etc., are valid points. I'd only replace them if I tracked my car, but more for safety than feel. Good day. |
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That would be consistent with my experience after the upgrade: my pedal felt "firmer" in the sense that it did not seem to continue to drop while braking the way it with the rubber lines + ATE fluid. Re: degeneration. Even with the SS lines, the lines are still rubber. It's just that the steel reinforcements would keep the rubber from flexing, so it might degenerate less? Also, if there was impact, the chances of the line being damaged/severed would be decreased?
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I've replaced brake lines to SS lines on three cars. I have never felt a difference in pedal feel from SS lines alone. Perhaps I'm just insensitive, but I really could not feel any difference.
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I don't feel any difference on the street either. Did you track your car and beat up on the brakes? That's when the pedal drops--when things heat up drastically. That is my perception.
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The only way I've ever noticed a difference on the street is by changing lines and pads at the same time. I agree with Lucid though, on the track SS lines and high-temp brake fluid will make a difference .
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