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http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...e-Pack/234412/ I dont know but the M3 sounds more balanced between sport and comfort than the C63 does. |
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That is the AMG Equation....big engine, slap in bigger brakes, springs, dampeners.... They don't tune the suspension like ///M does Unfortuately ///M is going down the toilet....
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The new M3 is awesome, although I did read something about them building an M version of the X5 which is a departure from the M tradition. But that is no worse then AMG, who has been building AMG versions of SUVs for some time. |
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Any monkey can drive a car around the 'ring and say it is tuned. If you want to compare ///M suspension tuning versus AMG suspension "tuning", you are just going to look silly.
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08-15-2008, 05:51 PM | #30 | |
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Seriously TB don't think for one moment that BMW have the monopoly of fine chassis designers. That is not to say Mercedes are any better or that the C63 with the said package will be any better than the M3 but I wouldn't say that their efforts have been in vein. Need I bring up the R8 as an example, you and many more would have said Audi couldn't design a car the handle but here we are with the R8 posting times as good as the mighty GTR on many a track with less power and torque plus an awd system which hasn't half the technology. Point being Mercedes have the man-power and the skills to get the job done and when the finally start to see some comparison tests with this package on board the Merc I wouldn't be surprised to find the Merc winning the odd one or two. |
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Are you just a dumbass always looking to bash BMW? You are comparing a works DTM race team to production AMG cars?? Of course BMW doesn't have a monopoly on suspension tuning. AMG doesn't spend the money that BMW ///M use to in suspension tuning. That being said, BMW ///M is going down the toilet with their priorities. They soon will handle like crap as any AMG today.
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So being a realist and highlighting the fact that other manufacturers are equally as good means I am bashing BMW. Seriously TB, be a bit more mature and see things more objectively than that.
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Is this according to the world ruled by T-Bone. Just because they are bringing their philosophy to different body styles does not mean that their core range will be any less because of this. Look at Porsche, has the Cayenne made the 997 and Cayman any less brilliant. |
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You have a nack for not addressing issues raised in threads. You deliberately divert attention to other issues when your bullshit is confronted. You must be a politician.
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First you posting a video of the race, then someone else stated they would pick an AMG C63 over the M3, things progressed to the point when someone rightly said the stock C63 was great for straight racing but the M3 was the track star. I was only highlighting the fact that Mercedes offer a performance package which was meant to be close to if not the equal to the M3 on the track. I'm at a lost as to how I have deliberately divert attention to other issues. If you don't agree what my thinking then simple disagree, don't talk silly and post stuff like your latest reply. Seriously TB I expect better from you. |
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I'll be driving the C63 myself in a couple of weeks so I will judge the car on my own. |
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You are plain wrong when it comes to anything related to technical aspects of cars. Just enjoy your ignorance and perhaps a few weeks in your new M3 you will get some perspective on AMG / Audi's mush.
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If I didn't know better I would swear you and swamp were one in the same person, trying to run someones opinion down by way of technical knowledge. That is very sad to think that when you disagree with someone and can't argue your case you turn to insults. Maybe my knowledge of what AMG and Audi do with their respective development programmes are more informed than yours. I choose the M3 purely because I like the way the new one drives, it's a better balanced car in terms of luxury, quality and ability than any previous M3 and that appealed to me more than ever before. Whether I will stay with the brand now I am here is too early to say, I enjoyed my time with the S5 and every other Audi before it. If they produce another R8 quality product in my price and practicality bracket then who knows, I might be back driving another Audi. Your constant knocking other brand simply because they aren't BMW or an M comes across all fanboy and loses you credibility among the normal members of the site. I might not be as technical as some but I know the finer points of what makes a good car and though BMW clearly have these abilities there is numerous others out there equally as good. Like I said, you have your opinions and I have mine. |
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As well, as I have stated over and over again, I believe the RS4 engine was much more revolutionary than the M3. It is a fine piece of kit inside and outside. Furthermore, I do not use technical knowledge, ability nor facts to insult people. Am I agrumentative and opinionated, yes but that is a different ball of wax. Lastly - best of luck finding anything like an R8 from Audi at a price anywhere close to the M3! Bang for the buck is not anywhere close to as good from Audi as BMW. Cheers. |
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I wouldn't go as far as to say the RS4 is technical better than the M3, it is as good in many ways but the M3 is a true master piece. I think you will see Audi adapting the R8 principles in most of their hi-performance cars and by this I mean making them lighter than before, have better steering feel, better weight distribution and ultimately more enjoyable to driving. Many people who have driven the new TT-S say they see Audi are make vast improvements and Drivers Republic compared the TT-S to the Cayman and it got pretty close to beating it which is truly amazing when you consider it's a fwd based awd chassis which only shift power when understeer is breached. The new S4 will be the first true quattro car to use these principles and it will show the way to how the RS5 and RS4 will be like. I'm not saying that they will surpass BMW but I think they will offer an alternative which isn't a compromise in terms of enjoyment at the limit. But enough of Audi, the discussion was about M3 vs C63 and like I said, with the performance package the C63 might/should offer M3's levels of interaction and balance on the track with a slight reduction in ride quality. |
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Don't take it personally Footie. T_Bone is your text book BMW Fanboy.
He loves to argue how the M3 is better in every aspect and everytime something else comes close or beats the M he'll resort to the classic high school repponse " Lets see it in the twisties" T-Bag......if you get a sec you should pick up an issue of R&T, Car&Driver, etc and see how close the C63 is in Handling, and braking! I believe that should cover OVERALL performance.......no?!?! |
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Since you're mentioning the back seats. I do think that's a big factor, not over the C63, but over all the Caymans, Boxsters and even Carreras. IMO the 1 series convertible is really addicting for the very same reason. There aren't that many 'small' convertibles with an powerful engine that can seat 4 people. Though I guess that's completely OT.
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