BMW denies claims it will abandon internal combustion engines

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by Th3DarkSide

So impressive. You live in Boston. Everybody Bow ����‍♂️

I live in NY. Maybe you should bow to me. After all this is the center of Planet Earth. ����

Why are you offended that they just mentions facts about the place they lives to support their point? God damn chill man.

[GabesSlowM4]

Why is it that the west has to be the one to cut back on all their emissions when China and India produce way more pollution?
……………just wanted to stir the pot

[beammeupscottie]

Infrastructure here in the US will not be up to par by 2035 to support EV mandates. Wait for it. The wheels of government move too slow. It’ll be reversed or kicked down the road.

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by Th3DarkSide

I posted about EV battery production and the detrimental effects it has on the environment. I see you just choose to ignore that part of the argument completely. Typical.

So what? This fake news was buried years ago. People that make this argument are being intellectually lazy. Stop being lazy. There are plenty of real reasons why EV are a challenge.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

They have to be forced down people’s throats. Because people are idiots, as seen in this thread.
If you don’t ’force down’ seatbelts down their throats, they don’t wear them and just die in a 20 mph crash.

Congrats on your iX, really saving the planet with that 6000 lb boat packed with lithium extracted from the third world countries.

I hope you plan to keep it at least 70k miles, otherwise you're damaging the planet worse than an ICE/hybrid car would.

If you're the avg BMW owner leasing for 2-3 yrs then..lol

[Montaver]

This is a great video from Autogefuhl which includes interviews which really explain how BMW is thinking about the future of EV’s and sustainability of cars. This includes a lot of the topics being discussed here. Give it a watch and it might change your perspective.

[Scrapula]

Wow, such maturity here. I’m proud of my BS in Biology, Masters in Health Informatics, Doctorate in Pharmacy. Yes, I believe in science. Taking ecology during my undergraduate years actually taught me a lot. My professor particularly hated golf courses. He didn’t believe in using resources to sustain a single species (grass). He taught me to compost and think about how my actions affect the earth. I don’t think driving an EV will save the planet. When I was in my early teens, I thought magnets should power vehicles. Now, here we are, decades later. I drive an EV because this is the technology I envisioned and they are a blast to drive.

[Th3DarkSide]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

Why are you offended that they just mentions facts about the place they lives to support their point? God damn chill man.

Who said I was offended? I was just making fun of the dude. He thinks where he lives is special. Haha. Breaking news. It’s not.

[Dgjo2022X5MC]

[QUOTE=Scrapula;30759861]Wow, such maturity here. I’m proud of my BS in Biology, Masters in Health Informatics, Doctorate in Pharmacy. Yes, I believe in science. Taking ecology during my undergraduate years actually taught me a lot. My professor particularly hated golf courses. He didn’t believe in using resources to sustain a single species (grass). He taught me to compost and think about how my actions affect the earth. I don’t think driving an EV will save the planet. When I was in my early teens, I thought magnets should power vehicles. Now, here we are, decades later. I drive an EV because this is the technology I envisioned and they are a blast to drive.

I can handle EVs and heat pumps for my house and hot water, but draw the line at golf courses! Come on, man! . Merry Xmas all.

[phileaglesbmw]

EVs are not the answer. Cost more initially, cost more to insure and evenentually register. CA is only 10% of US population and even some of those are not pro EVs. There are hardly any in Central PA and there really isn't many chargers available also, even a
Bear the junction of the Turnpike and 2 interstates.

What may work in a small country with only 5 mil people doesn't work in a very big country with 350 million.

[ghaffari46]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Congrats on your iX, really saving the planet with that 6000 lb boat packed with lithium extracted from the third world countries.

I hope you plan to keep it at least 70k miles, otherwise you're damaging the planet worse than an ICE/hybrid car would.

If you're the avg BMW owner leasing for 2-3 yrs then..lol

Actually I have my tesla 3 for 3 years, with 0 service requirements, it holds 93% of its battery. I assume ix has better built quality, and probably would last much longer than 10 years.

[jmxtrem]

Like its Should ,BMW makes the Most efficiency vehicles

[Stevem40i]

They better not abandon the B58 until I buy a few new ones !

[stavstavcc]

I promise I can start a thread about potatoes vs carrots and eventually people will start fighting about Trump, climate change and if the world is flat or not.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Th3DarkSide

So impressive. You live in Boston. Everybody Bow 😂🤦‍♂️

I live in NY. Maybe you should bow to me. After all this is the center of Planet Earth. 😂😂

Why would anyone bow to me or to you because of the place we live?
I guess you're trying to insult, but it isn't working.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

Infrastructure here in the US will not be up to par by 2035 to support EV mandates. Wait for it. The wheels of government move too slow. It’ll be reversed or kicked down the road.

I used to have this argument before to but IMO when you really think about it I really don't think it's an issue. Look at horses and cars, there was no infrastructure for cars yet did we stay with horses? Of course not. We succeeded and pushed through. What about all the horse purists back then? If this really goes through to EV only then I have no doubt we will adapt. We're good at that, we should give ourselves a bit of credit here.

You also have to remember the2035 thing is NEW cars. We're still going to have plentttty of gas cars so again infrastructure wise I doubt it's an issue. Not everyone is going to get rid of their gas cars on 2034 new year eve to get EVs in 2035.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

You do realise the whole WEF conspiracy is bs right?

BS in that it will never be achieved? Most likely. But they’re going to do their best to try. Shrinking demographics along with other factors are going to leave OEMs with significantly smaller profits under their current business models. Higher-priced cars for the rich along with subscription services for the lower middle class customers are their select methods of remaining solvent. Time will tell if it works or not (my bet is no).

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I’m surprised you’re saying “I used this argument before”, and haven’t explored how wrong it is so you stop it.
Hope it was the last time you used it, because it’s a foolish argument.

Comparing ICEV to horses and BEV to cars that replaced horses is bizarre.

A car allowed us to do things horses never did.
We travelled across counties and states on the same day, as opposed to days or weeks with horses. We can travel across countries in days, instead of months or years.
We don’t get wet when it rains. We can carry passengers. We’re comfortable.

What does the BEV offer that the ICEV can’t do? We can tell you what the ICEV can do that the BEV can’t (longer range, less fuelling time, manual transmission/engagement).

No revolution. No comparison. So stop with the horse and car comparison….

I explained why I used to have that argument with the horse analogy. I used to be on the same hate bandwagon against EVs because I just listened to what others said isntead of looking more into it. And with the horse analogy that's when it clicked to me and realised we will simply adapt and everyone is making it a much bigger deal than it is. And the fact that there will be plenty of gas cars means again our infrastructure won't need a drastic change in 2035 right away. Our infrastructure will be fine lol. I don't understand how people rationalize or arrive to the conclusion that it won't.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by Cos270

BS in that it will never be achieved? Most likely. But they’re going to do their best to try. Shrinking demographics along with other factors are going to leave OEMs with significantly smaller profits under their current business models. Higher-priced cars for the rich along with subscription services for the lower middle class customers are their select methods of remaining solvent. Time will tell if it works or not (my bet is no).

No I meant about believing that there is a secret cabal out there who wants to make the lives of middle class and make them slaves and bla bla bla. I deleted my comment but I see you replied before it applied, I didn't want to open a further can of worms on that because I realise when I argue that topic with someone who believes that, there's just no point. I'll wish you a great day and move on

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Gotcha. I understand your point now. You’re saying that even if things aren’t “ready for them” i.e. no roads having been developed for cars when horses dominated, roads got built. So your contention is that even though the infrastructure for charging cars isn’t there, it’ll be built.

I agree with your premise. Where it falls short is that 1- BEVs haven’t proven to be the future solution (they just might be), and 2- cars weren’t imposed on horse owners, so the natural progression of car ownership allowed the demand to be there organically so initiative could exist to build roads.
When you impose a certain solution, natural initiatives cannot cope with that unnatural demand.

I have not observed people “hating on EVs”. Most, if not all, love the technology and what those cars can do.
But not love the shoving down their throats.

Yeah that to. Like maybe hydrogen or with F1 planning to go for sustainable gas that might trickle down and be better. Don't get me wrong, I love gas cars to and I think sports cars should still be allowed to be sold ICE for example and most commuters should instead be EV. But yeah that is another argument to go off on.

Over here and around social media I just see a lot of hate based on the EV itself. Like some stupid things where if you drive an EV, somehow you're not a man or don't have a real car and you know just petty highschool bs things like that that really irks me. It's like so stupid. But you're right on here it's probably not like that for most and I may be mixing that up.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

No I meant about believing that there is a secret cabal out there who wants to make the lives of middle class and make them slaves and bla bla bla. I deleted my comment but I see you replied before it applied, I didn't want to open a further can of worms on that because I realise when I argue that topic with someone who believes that, there's just no point. I'll wish you a great day and move on

Ah, no worries. I agree it’s not quite that sinister - but the implications for the (ever-shrinking) middle class are similar either way. Have a great day!

[beammeupscottie]

Originally Posted by TheMidnightNarwhal

I used to have this argument before to but IMO when you really think about it I really don't think it's an issue. Look at horses and cars, there was no infrastructure for cars yet did we stay with horses? Of course not. We succeeded and pushed through. What about all the horse purists back then? If this really goes through to EV only then I have no doubt we will adapt. We're good at that, we should give ourselves a bit of credit here.

You also have to remember the2035 thing is NEW cars. We're still going to have plentttty of gas cars so again infrastructure wise I doubt it's an issue. Not everyone is going to get rid of their gas cars on 2034 new year eve to get EVs in 2035.

Originally Posted by M2siast

I’m surprised you’re saying “I used this argument before”, and haven’t explored how wrong it is so you stop it.
Hope it was the last time you used it, because it’s a foolish argument.

Comparing ICEV to horses and BEV to cars that replaced horses is bizarre.

A car allowed us to do things horses never did.
We travelled across counties and states on the same day, as opposed to days or weeks with horses. We can travel across countries in days, instead of months or years.
We don’t get wet when it rains. We can carry passengers. We’re comfortable.

What does the BEV offer that the ICEV can’t do? We can tell you what the ICEV can do that the BEV can’t (longer range, less fuelling time, manual transmission/engagement).

No revolution. No comparison. So stop with the horse and car comparison….

I’m not hating on EV’s, the future, or tech…
I was only commenting on the realities of mandates vs infrastructure to support those mandates. We have rolling black outs and it’s practically 2024 without the EV mandates. What does one think will happen when the infrastructure is subject to increase of stress on the aging outdated power grids nationwide? Charging times are an issue also. What about those who are apartment dwellers with no home access to at home charging? Subsides did not last long enough for solar panels so not nearly every home has them. There are so many issues with Mandating EV’s and how this would impact everyday life. Could it happen, sure. It’s just not feasible for when government wants it to go into effect. IJS. It’s myopic to think just because it works for you now that it will work for everyone (even by 2035).