Tire Talk Megathread

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by Z K

The SC3 not R is not the same. It is more like a street tire than something you want to drive on the on track. It is very quiet and civil for street driving but lacks grip. IMHO, you're better off with the RE71RS, RT660 or V730 if you plan to go to the track.



Same happened to me. I was waiting for 4 months for the 3R to come back into stock... I couldn't wait anymore so I got the V730. It is an ok track day tire but no where near the grip and consistency of the 3R. The V730 seems to wear well. I can see these lasting a long time. That can be a positive or negative depending how you look at it.

I have really loved the Supercar3 as a truly dual-duty track/street tire, it's really faultless except for wet/cold grip, which is bad, nad the stiff construction can add some harshness but that's worth it for not being a noisy tire. But on-track, it holds up amazingly well for a tire that doesn't howl like the devil. And it's made right here in Murca. When you get it hot, it makes good grip, but its compound isn't designed to work very well cold. And they seem designed to be abused on track fby street cars like mine with suboptimal setups (which makes sense, that's what they were originally designed for on the 6g Camaro SS). They are the only street tire I've had so far that has been able to go full tilt boogie on my local Roval on my car for multiple sessions without melting the outside edge on the banking

[IamFODI]

Novice question!

Been running Michelin Pilot Sport 4S with close to the max possible camber with my setup. Still rolling the fronts a lot.

Would track tires mitigate that issue?

If so, any recommendations? I'd love something as communicative, noob-friendly, and long-lived as possible (in that order), with as little added grip as possible vs. the PS4S (don't want to hide my mistakes).

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by IamFODI

Novice question!

Been running Michelin Pilot Sport 4S with close to the max possible camber with my setup. Still rolling the fronts a lot.

Would track tires mitigate that issue?

If so, any recommendations? I'd love something as communicative, noob-friendly, and long-lived as possible (in that order), with as little added grip as possible vs. the PS4S (don't want to hide my mistakes).

Endurance tires.

RS4 or AD08, or Continental Force.

You can save the shoulders with a little higher pressures too.

[IamFODI]

Originally Posted by DRLane

Endurance tires.

RS4 or AD08, or Continental Force.

You can save the shoulders with a little higher pressures too.

Thanks. Was eyeing those.

Already tried max safe pressure. Some change but not enough, sadly.

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by IamFODI

Thanks. Was eyeing those.

Already tried max safe pressure. Some change but not enough, sadly.

Try and be more patient with turn in, feel like the car is hooking before aggressively turning the wheel. And then be super patient with throttle from mid corner to exit to avoid understeer / pushing the fronts. That will improve wear and likely make you faster.

[Matt Fojtik]

Is there anything that you guys recommend that’s still dailyable? Maybe a bit more aggressive than a ps4s. Are cr-s, ar-1, rs4, or nt01’s good options for both? Or will I hydroplane off the road if I hit any water 😂.
Thanks!
Matt

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by Matt Fojtik

Is there anything that you guys recommend that’s still dailyable? Maybe a bit more aggressive than a ps4s. Are cr-s, ar-1, rs4, or nt01’s good options for both? Or will I hydroplane off the road if I hit any water 😂.
Thanks!
Matt

CR-S, or AO52. Don’t get a tire that’ll require lengthy warm up. NT01 and AR1 will be obnoxiously loud.

But they’re expensive to “waste” driving around town. I’d stick to PS4.

[Matt Fojtik]

Originally Posted by DRLane

CR-S, or AO52. Don’t get a tire that’ll require lengthy warm up. NT01 and AR1 will be obnoxiously loud.

But they’re expensive to “waste” driving around town. I’d stick to PS4.

Would they both wear down too fast driving around town?

[IamFODI]

Originally Posted by Matt Fojtik

Would they both wear down too fast driving around town?

I think DRLane's point was that they're very expensive tires. But yeah, longevity will be an issue as well. The PS4S is basically the king of usable tread life on the street.

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by Matt Fojtik

Would they both wear down too fast driving around town?

They’re definitely much softer than PS4S, and a summer performance tire so not great for the cold. But they won’t fall apart from driving around town. Just more performance oriented (Auto X, or HPDEs).

[Matt Fojtik]

Originally Posted by DRLane

They’re definitely much softer than PS4S, and a summer performance tire so not great for the cold. But they won’t fall apart from driving around town. Just more performance oriented (Auto X, or HPDEs).

I’d be using them so I could do some hpde and lots of autox (at limerock) and still be able to drive around town. I don’t think I’d really ever drive below 50° with them since they only be on until late August.

[Matt Fojtik]

Originally Posted by DRLane

CR-S, or AO52. Don’t get a tire that’ll require lengthy warm up. NT01 and AR1 will be obnoxiously loud.

But they’re expensive to “waste” driving around town. I’d stick to PS4.

If I were to do it. Would one or the other be better? I’d imagine the best wet performance would be important since id definitely do some rain driving

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by Matt Fojtik

If I were to do it. Would one or the other be better? I’d imagine the best wet performance would be important since id definitely do some rain driving

Those are basically the same tire. Go with size and price.

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by DRLane

They’re definitely much softer than PS4S, and a summer performance tire so not great for the cold. But they won’t fall apart from driving around town. Just more performance oriented (Auto X, or HPDEs).

The Supercar3 is also perfect for track/street, at the expense of wet and cold grip. WOuldn't recommend if he'll see a lot of rain at Lime Rock. But it holds up really well on track for a truly streetable tire, very stiff and doens't roll over or melt like the PS4S and Conti ECS. I was running them as low as 30psi cold where I needed 38 cold to keep the Contis alive on track, for instance.

They won't kill you in the rain, they just won't evacuate water like the Michelin, Conti in deep water, and won't stick like the Stones or Yokes in the damp

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by Richbot

How's on-road tire roar on the RE71RS? My Supercar3's are getting real, real hard after a lot of street driving and some tracking, and I'm gonna need to do something

Anybody have some feedback? Tires I have experience on this car with PS4S, Conti ECS and DW, PSS, Hoosiers, Kook RS3's, Falken RT615K+s...the SuprerCar3's...of those the most miserable on the street were the Falkens. I understand the Stones won't be miserable in the wet like the Falkens, but still curious about tire roar. Even with a pretty loud exhaust this car still hushes up on the highway really nicely on the Goodyears.

[Cmassey3]

Debating retiring the ECS tires I have on my M3 before the next track event I have at VIR at the end of April. I think each tire still has the DW wear markers visible and I'm not into the sidewalls with the pressures I run.

They've got 3 track weekends and maybe 6.5k miles on them with road use. They vibrate above 50mph, but I'm not sure if that's old track marbles or not. They seem to have scrubbed clean since the last event in September.

[tsk94]

Originally Posted by Cmassey3

Debating retiring the ECS tires I have on my M3 before the next track event I have at VIR at the end of April. I think each tire still has the DW wear markers visible and I'm not into the sidewalls with the pressures I run.

They've got 3 track weekends and maybe 6.5k miles on them with road use. They vibrate above 50mph, but I'm not sure if that's old track marbles or not. They seem to have scrubbed clean since the last event in September.

Probably out of balance now that they've worn.

[Cmassey3]

Originally Posted by tsk94

Probably out of balance now that they've worn.

Can I get them rebalanced easily? I don't know if they shop I used for them does road force balancing or not.

[tsk94]

Originally Posted by Cmassey3

Can I get them rebalanced easily? I don't know if they shop I used for them does road force balancing or not.

Realistically, yes. Without seeing the tire/wheel I can't give you any guarantees, but a good road force balance should take care of that no problem.

[Cmassey3]

Originally Posted by tsk94

Realistically, yes. Without seeing the tire/wheel I can't give you any guarantees, but a good road force balance should take care of that no problem.

Sweet, this is probably a better shot for me than wasting tire potentially.

[nsogiba]

Anyone have some suggestions on a tire for 100% HPDE use? Dedicated wheel set so no street use, I'm running a 275/35/18 now which fits nicely so if I can stick with that size it'd be great. I am relatively new to track events so I am putting a preference on a cost effective tire that gets me lots of seat time, over an expensive tire that is super fast but wears out after a couple of weekends.

Needs in order of importance:

Long life/hard wearing
Cost effective
Great dry grip
Decent wet grip

Don't care about noise or stiffness since it's not used on the street.

[slcook54]

I feel like the 71RS is currently the defacto tire for our platform. I’m not sure what more you can ask for.