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However, for the E90 though there's a strong distribution shift for pre/post LCI so the 6MT cars are much rarer in the LCI years due to the late introduction of the DCT in 2008 model year E90 cars which essentially all are 6MT. I think the main reason was all the E90 launch cars BMW built solely with 6MT (i.e. the 2008 model year E92 is near even split 6MT/DCT). 6MT/DCT data: pre LCI 2080/200 post LCI 1055/2532 Hence if one is shopping for an LCI 6MT E90 M3, your odds of any given car being a DCT are 2.4 times greater than it being a 6MT. In the first post in this thread there is a pdf link with all this data and more.
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But after owning 3 more after it finding an 09+ is worth the extra investment to me. I just felt they were tighter, more refined, and I would prefer all factory paint. Couldn’t care less about the nav tho. I would prefer no nav as they are both ancient. Last edited by dmk08; 07-29-2020 at 02:13 PM.. |
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But I've seen some '10+ basket cases with a host of issues. Like all used cars, condition and maintenance is everything. There are some basket cause '13s out there also. So don't let the year fool you. Always get it checked out.
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Also there are some changes between 08/09 in the power train. A few examples... - clutch and flywheel in manual changed in 09 - ICV system updates Last edited by dmk08; 07-30-2020 at 05:54 AM.. |
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I had been hunting for an E90 for so long that truthfully it wasn't until I all but gave up and started having serious conversations about an F80 that one finally popped up.
2011 Interlagos on black comp pack, DCT, effectively fully loaded (extended novillo, premium, tech, comp, cold weather, sunroof). 52k miles. 1 owner car in generally excellent condition (no rod bearings, TA's or other big tickets though) - clean paint with some small flakes on the front bumper that appeared from poorly removing the previous owners PPF. They had also done the PPI, new brakes and new front tires/good condition rears, along with a DCT seal repair. Wound up paying $39,250, but since the car has an aftermarket exhaust I plan to part out that should recoup about $1500 or so. (~$37,750 net). It was definitely on the high side, but I had compared this recently to another 2011 Lemans Comp with similar miles that was asking $30k and was trashed. Car would've needed a full front respray, had aftermarket trim, no extended leather, major swirls and scratches all over the paint, plus some other cheap mods like worn out alcantara steering wheel, etc. For me the cost to refinish the car, replace the OEM parts, would have probably easily cost me $5-7k, even if I ignored things like the dirty carpets, etc. As with anything it's supply and demand, the cars that are kept in good shape should continue to hold their value (or appreciate if rarely driven). Given how hideous the G8x M3 looks I wouldn't be surprised if the popularity of the E chassis M cars continues to go up and up. I still laugh that my brother offered to sell me his 2000 E39 M5 in 2007 for around $16k (with 50k miles). If I had bought that car and kept in in good conditon it would've been worth the exact same amount even with 150K on it.
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So those things made it feel "tighter, more refined" ? (your words)
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1220 ZCP E90s of which 355 are 6MT 325 ZCP E90 slicktops total and 137 are 6MT slicktops So out of the 325 slicktops, I wonder how many were non-nav..
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I'm glad you love your 08.. Mine just wasn't as good as my others. They were "tighter and more refined" for whatever reason. |
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I've never said I owned an 08, but I've driven and worked on all kinds of E9x m3s. So I was just calling out your BS. But I guess you are allowed your subjective opinion since you can't base it on any facts.
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So your subjective opinion is more real than mine? Thanks for "calling out my BS"
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Is it really uncommon for first year cars to have less quality than later run cars? No. Is it pretty common knowledge? Yes. |
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I think the E9X is in an interesting spot.
The appreciating E46 M3 only further puts the spotlight on well maintained E9X M3. Who buys a 30k E46 with 100K when that type of money gets you a clean E92 M3? As a caveat, the E9X market still needs to go through its 3rd "cheap as hell - run it into the ground" type of owner that will take cars off the market, forever. Usually those tend to be lesser desirable cars anyways (08s and all the wrong options). This is happening now as you can find some beat up examples in the teens. I think as we move along in time, the mileage aspect of these cars will become less relevant and proper body & mechanical maintenance will be key. This seems to be happening in the E34/39/46 world. I ultimately think well maintained, LCI and ZCP E92s will forever stay above 30K, no matter the mileage. |
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So before you decide that you want to do that custom spraypaint interior job or fender roll, just decide how long you plan to keep the car.
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To me as a normally die hard manual guy the DCT is the better choice in the E9x anyway as the manual isn't great. |
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With that said, I expect the take rate for that model to be astronomically low as well. Most people who buy this are going to want the highest horsepower, fastest trim, impress your friends version and that will be the automatic + competition + AWD variant. I would expect ONLY custom orders will actually be able to get the "pure" model and the dealers will offer the least discount (Further solidifying the fact that almost no one will buy manuals, especially not at a premium). I hate to say it but it's a self fulfilling prophecy like the death of the wagon. "Want a wagon? What if we make it $5k more than a similar SUV thats better equipped?" - Also BMW
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I think they’ll drop to $15-18k with 50-80k miles in the next 1-2 years. The really low miles one are only going up. Ive seen em sold for like $32-35 then the special edition ones are way up there
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The appreciating E46 M3 only further puts the spotlight on well maintained E9X M3. Who buys a 30k E46 with 100K when that type of money gets you a clean E92 M3? As a caveat, the E9X market still needs to go through its 3rd "cheap as hell - run it into the ground" type of owner that will take cars off the market, forever. This will continue in the next few years. Usually those tend to be lesser desirable cars anyways (08s and all the wrong options). This is happening now as you can find some beat up examples in the teens. I think as we move along in time, the mileage aspect of these cars will become less relevant and proper body & mechanical maintenance will be key. This seems to be happening in the E34/39/46 world. The G80 buyers will be F80 guys for the most part. F80s prices will absolutely get crushed over the next few years. It will have some effect on the E90 market as they will be cross shopped, but IMHO it will lead to further appreciation of the E90 generation. The G80 comes rolling in during the greatest economic crash of a hundred years. The lease rates and discounts will be insane and further drive F80 prices down the gutter. I ultimately think well maintained, LCI and ZCP E92s will forever stay above 30K, no matter the mileage. |
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