Track forum general chit chat.

[kayha12]

So I didn't try... which I fully regret. I've only heard of bad stories of people launching out of it improperly or splitters/lips getting destroyed so I didn't want to chance it... especially first time out at the track. I do want to give it a shot next time.

Looking at data, my friend ran a 1:41 in his cayman carrying a measly consistent 45 mph in the carousel.. he actually gained +.8 seconds on me in that that turn alone. Since I ended up bleeding down to about 30-ish mph. We had a Miata who ran 1:36.0 carry 55 mph in the carousel. I imagine this will be the next step to gaining easy time at that track!

[kayha12]

Originally Posted by turbo_joe

That's a really good pace on Shenny, my best is only a 1:44

Thanks man, we gotta get out to an event together sometime! Especially if you have an APEX photographer! haha I'm so jealous, I'm on my 5th set of wheels with them and all I got was a tshirt LOL

[kayha12]

Ah this photo was a crowd favorite lol

[turbo_joe]

Originally Posted by kayha12

Thanks man, we gotta get out to an event together sometime! Especially if you have an APEX photographer! haha I'm so jealous, I'm on my 5th set of wheels with them and all I got was a tshirt LOL

That just worked out with them wanting photos of the brushed finish forged wheels on an e92 lol, the events you go to are they all competitive or open to HPDE style runs as well? I am not on your level, not fast enough to run time trials or time attack yet.

Originally Posted by kayha12

Ah this photo was a crowd favorite lol

This photo is so sick, that is full send over the bus stop

[turbo_joe]

Originally Posted by kayha12

So I didn't try... which I fully regret. I've only heard of bad stories of people launching out of it improperly or splitters/lips getting destroyed so I didn't want to chance it... especially first time out at the track. I do want to give it a shot next time.

Looking at data, my friend ran a 1:41 in his cayman carrying a measly consistent 45 mph in the carousel.. he actually gained +.8 seconds on me in that that turn alone. Since I ended up bleeding down to about 30-ish mph. We had a Miata who ran 1:36.0 carry 55 mph in the carousel. I imagine this will be the next step to gaining easy time at that track!

Next time I am out there I might need to push the carousel a bit more and see how much I can pick up.

[kayha12]

Originally Posted by turbo_joe

That just worked out with them wanting photos of the brushed finish forged wheels on an e92 lol, the events you go to are they all competitive or open to HPDE style runs as well? I am not on your level, not fast enough to run time trials or time attack yet.



This photo is so sick, that is full send over the bus stop

So this past weekend was with SCCA HPDE & TT, their "race" weekends are on separate weekends which makes the pace of these HPDE/TT events muchhh more relaxing. More seat time for everyone as well

NASA they run their HPDE, TT and Racing in the same weekend, it feels a bit more hectic but more action to watch. Just a higher headcount overall

We'll get you up to speed man! I spent about 1.5 years in my subaru doing all the HPDE's, and then 4 weekends in HPDE 3 (Advanced, for SCCA) in the m3 before I made the leap to instructing and time trials. The beauty of our cars is that it's a very capable machine, a few tips and tricks here and there and you'll pick up time super fast

[turbo_joe]

Originally Posted by kayha12

So this past weekend was with SCCA HPDE & TT, their "race" weekends are on separate weekends which makes the pace of these HPDE/TT events muchhh more relaxing. More seat time for everyone as well

NASA they run their HPDE, TT and Racing in the same weekend, it feels a bit more hectic but more action to watch. Just a higher headcount overall

We'll get you up to speed man! I spent about 1.5 years in my subaru doing all the HPDE's, and then 4 weekends in HPDE 3 (Advanced, for SCCA) in the m3 before I made the leap to instructing and time trials. The beauty of our cars is that it's a very capable machine, a few tips and tricks here and there and you'll pick up time super fast

Keep me posted on some of your next events, I would love to come out and watch or drive as well. I typically run upper intermediate group right now but my pace is slowly improving.

[//steve\\]

Anyone that's ever run the common 265/295 combo ever go down to square 275s and feel like its very obvious the rear has less traction? Obviously there is less rubber but is it really significant or not?

[Chris_PDX]

Originally Posted by //steve\\

Anyone that's ever run the common 265/295 combo ever go down to square 275s and feel like its very obvious the rear has less traction? Obviously there is less rubber but is it really significant or not?

I went from 275/295 on 19s to 275 square on 18s.

Technically you have less grip in the rear, because tire contact patch is smaller. But the car handles *so much better*. Less rotation mass, more balanced. Much more tossable in my opinion. I run square setups now on both M3s.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by turbo_joe

Keep me posted on some of your next events, I would love to come out and watch or drive as well. I typically run upper intermediate group right now but my pace is slowly improving.

Go to a NASA weekend if you want to see as much action as possible. They pack the schedule and you will see it all: HPDE from beginner to very advanced, time trial, Spec Miata, muscle car-only, etc. Paddock will be absolutely packed with the whole gamut of cars. You will not be bored.

[tsk94]

Originally Posted by //steve\\

Anyone that's ever run the common 265/295 combo ever go down to square 275s and feel like its very obvious the rear has less traction? Obviously there is less rubber but is it really significant or not?

Where are you finding the noticeable reduction in rear traction? Entry, mid corner or exit?

[rhyary]

Originally Posted by //steve\\

Anyone that's ever run the common 265/295 combo ever go down to square 275s and feel like its very obvious the rear has less traction? Obviously there is less rubber but is it really significant or not?

Since I am on 19", I can't answer your question directly. But when I tried 275/30/19 275/35/19 compare to my usual rear of 295/30/19, the rear was not as planted as I am used to.

I can't say it effected my laptime, it less planted as I was used to. The two rears I tried were MPSS and V720

Not having the rear planted, allowed more rotation, so it is not necessarily a bad thing. However for track I prefer 295/30/19, for the street I prefer the 275/35/19

[dparm]

I guess it comes down to personal preference, but I would frankly want as much tire as I can get. The M3 is heavy and has decent power.

[//steve\\]

Originally Posted by tsk94

Where are you finding the noticeable reduction in rear traction? Entry, mid corner or exit?

Hate to say so but talking more theory at this point. I'm still pretty new to the car but doesn't mean I can't do some research and then try to stack the deck in my favor. And tire size isn't everything to it either because I know say a 275 100tw tire will certainly provide more grip than say a 295 ps4s or something in that similar summer tire tier.

Car will always stay NA so won't ever see but so much more power than stock.

I know it's a vague question but I'll take any info I can get. I'll also say it will likely never be a track only car. Always needs to stay streetable for nice weather.

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by dparm

I guess it comes down to personal preference, but I would frankly want as much tire as I can get. The M3 is heavy and has decent power.

Needs moar powaaa. It's too easy to drive.

Definitely needs some extra tire too though.

[tsk94]

Originally Posted by //steve\\

Hate to say so but talking more theory at this point. I'm still pretty new to the car but doesn't mean I can't do some research and then try to stack the deck in my favor. And tire size isn't everything to it either because I know say a 275 100tw tire will certainly provide more grip than say a 295 ps4s or something in that similar summer tire tier.

Car will always stay NA so won't ever see but so much more power than stock.

I know it's a vague question but I'll take any info I can get. I'll also say it will likely never be a track only car. Always needs to stay streetable for nice weather.

There's lots of things you can do to help the balance if it's too oversteer biased for you. Softening the rear compression will help at corner exit. Mid corner can be solved by softening the rear or stiffening the front sway bar. For entry oversteer you can soften the rear rebound. Lower rear ride height, and more toe-in will make the rear more planted/stable in all phases of the turn.

So you got many options that you can play with while still keeping it perfectly streetable.

[dparm]

Or just do what's free: minor tire pressure adjustment.

[slicer]

Originally Posted by Bartledoo

Anybody have a lug nut recommendation to go with the MSI 14mm core4 stud conversion? I just ordered the hubs with studs since I broke a rear bolt yesterday and my worn brake pads saved me from going out again. I ordered a new set of bolts last night, but then I started worrying incessantly so I impulse bought the full kit lol.

Core4 doesn't even list the thread pitch for the 14mm stud option. I'm assuming they are 1.25, but can't confirm. I wish they just offered the nuts as well because I would prefer less options! Looks like MSI doesn't offer 1.25 pitch nuts, if that is what I need.

MSI makes nuts to go with their studs and that's what I recommend. Not sure which version of CORE4 you got but mine use MSI nuts

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by slicer

MSI makes nuts to go with their studs and that's what I recommend. Not sure which version of CORE4 you got but mine use MSI nuts

Core4 got back to me on Monday and was able to add deez nuts to the order.

[e36clubracer]

Those running the Core4 hubs are you using the 12 or 14mm studs?

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by e36clubracer

Those running the Core4 hubs are you using the 12 or 14mm studs?

I just ordered them so not running yet, but after breaking a bolt I'm going as big/strong as possible - 14mm MSI.

[DRLane]

Originally Posted by e36clubracer

Those running the Core4 hubs are you using the 12 or 14mm studs?

I'm running 12mm, on SC car with hard compound slicks (RR). But no aero...

Given their success with GTR race cars I didn't want the hassle of drilling everything out to accommodate the 14s.