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08-16-2019, 01:55 PM | #23 |
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At $39k that Texas E92 is a great deal, why the LOL?
I've found consumables to be pretty mellow on my E92. With The PF Z54 big brake kit I've been running the same race pads going on two sessions now and they still have tons of life, I've been through two sets of pads in the rear though on the stock setup. If you run Pireli DH take offs those last a handful of track days typically and are cheap to buy. I've considered moving to a more purposeful track car, but not sure it will actually be any funner to drive without spending more money. Car's I've considered, buying one already in close spec - not building: - Caymen race car of some sort. Still pretty low on power/speed. - GT4 or GT4 clubsport. Probably pretty awesome, but performance is likely similar to prepping the E92 to a similar level (getting all the extra weight out and adding a cage). - E46 M3 track prepped. At this point It's still likely cheaper to just pull the weight out of my E92 and likely faster. - GT3RS. Spend way more money, go faster, wonder if I should have spent that much money on a car. I have the truck, been looking at a trailer for a while. Just not sure if I keep in the E92 or if a move to something else is really worth it.
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08-18-2019, 08:33 AM | #24 |
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The PFC Z54 kit is pure win!
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08-19-2019, 10:58 AM | #25 |
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PFC stuff looks pretty nice, and you do see it on lots of Porsche Cup cars, but does their BBK lock you in with using only their pads? PFC pads are not known for being cost-effective.
One thing I liked about the StopTechs was they used a common Porsche 911 pad shape so you could run literally any compound you want. Even the Essex/AP and Brembo kits seem to have tons of choices.
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The PFC11 compound is wonderful. In the AP Radical brake (I know as I have them as well) the front PFC11 compound pad for the AP is ~600 whereas the same pad is ~300 for the PFC BBK |
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08-19-2019, 09:10 PM | #27 |
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I'm still building my E46 M3 as a dedicated track car.
I'll admit...it's a PIA trailering the car. I'm trying to figure out the whole enclosed trailer thing. It will be awesome someday. I can store my crap in it to include the car and it can serve as shelter. But right now...lots of money and work to get there. Trying to maintain a safe and reliable dual duty car is too much work. I'd rather screw with loading the car into the trailer at the end of the day vs loading up all of my crap. My goal with my e46 is lightness and lowered running costs. I'm happy with that...my fuel consumption is down 25%, brakes are lasting twice as long and tires don't really cord...they heat cycle out. The only bugger is it's tough to figure out the car when you've taken a lot of weight out. Sure, I could pay someone but then I learn very little. So far, haven't really dialed the car in. It's so different than when I ran it in 2013-2015. I've just figured out what my consumables are...kinda. I'm on the fence. It's rewarding that I've done everything single thing on the car myself except for installing the windshield and rear window. It's also kinda frustrating because I'm not getting the performance I'm expecting. Part driver issues, parts inconsistent tire setups, part some stuff is getting old (i.e. shocks from 2011).
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I'm running a very similar setup to Shadow currently and I love where the car is at: KW Clubsport 2 way Stoptech ST40 front BBK SPL front thrust arms delrin engine/tranny mounts solid metal subframe/diff bushings OMP seats BK harness bar catless xpipe 18x10 square +25 with 15mm spacers 200tw tires No cooling upgrades yet aside from hood vents which actually made a significant difference (~10*F lower max oil temps). Being in the southeast, I do run into periodic issues with the DCT slowing down shifts when I'm 20 minutes into a session in the dead of summer with 95*+ ambient temps. I've only had a water temp warning maybe 3 times ever. But I will definitely do the do88 upgrade at some point. I feel like those mods listed above were just the right amount to barely cross over the plane into "full track car" territory with respect to handling. The car is currently at 163k miles and other than the above listed mods, all other bushings and parts are still original OEM, so I would give a big kudos to the ///M team for fitting the car with actual parts built to take a beating and I would say that I haven't had to budget at all for stock parts breaking under the abuse at the track. Not to say that it won't/can't happen, but that's my experience so far. Actually one time I was on the way to a track event and an 18 wheeler had a full blowout right next to me and his entire tread ripped off and shot out right in front of my car and I had no way to avoid it and the tread basically belly flopped on my hood/front bumper and then slid under and i ran over it. And if you've never physically picked up an 18 wheeler tread, you'd be surprised at just how massive/stout they really are. It dented my hood, cracked my bumper, busted a headlight, and dented my oil cooler a bit, however - considering how beefy that tread was and the fact I hit it gong 75-80mph - I'm very surprised there wasn't more damage to the front/underside. And after a thorough inspection, I continued on the the track event and had no issues. |
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08-28-2019, 11:44 AM | #34 |
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This has not been my experience. I have no issues staying locked down in my seat and don't even have to think about it, it's a huge upgrade over the stock belts. Proper fixed back racing seats would be better obviously as they are generally firmer and will improve feel through the seat, but for a car which see's double duty the QFP's are perfectly serviceable. I'm in the market for an F80 but its the inability to install QFP's which are a huge negative against it.
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09-12-2019, 11:48 PM | #36 |
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I'm sorry but there is no cheap solution for the motorsport. You can get e36 for 3-5K now, but in a few years you'll turn it into 20-30K adventure. It's fun, but it's pricey. And more you track - more expensive it becomes. So if you are concerned about budget I would recommend e36 or e46. e92 platform is going to cost you much more.
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Winding Road Racing always posts cars that get me very close to pulling the trigger.
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I think a lightly modded E9X will be the same speed as the 'track car' E36/46 with minimal mods and reliability that is an order of magnitude higher than the older cars. People focus a lot on '40 dollar brakes' on their E36 or whatever but then when the diff gets torn clean off the car and you have to pay 4k to put it back in, well, they kind of forget that You would have to pay me massive amounts of money to own a E36/46 track car. Been there, done that, never again. The E36 and E46 chassis is licensed from Haribo because it is made out of friggin gummy bears. I am quite confident that if you plot lap time vs expense the E9X comes out on top. |
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That's because the QFP are *way* better than the 3 points However, as you continue advancing you will get to the point where a 4 point requires knee pads, etc. Still, a 2:09.1 at WGI with QFPs is pretty damn good in my book, so it does 'work' and I will always think it's the perfect balance of speed/safety and hassle. |
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Unless you like small tracks, the Cayman race car is still slow as hell. Full out Cayman Cup cars with pirelli DHs can be taken out by a street driven E9X with RE71rs without the slightest problem GT4 is also quite slow. I've been tracking for many years and ran across over a hundred of them for sure, never found a fast one. Gearing is stupidly long and mid engined is a lot harder to drive fast than all the Excel spreadsheet keyboard warriors think it is. Also agree in your E46 vs E9X comparison The GT3 RS should definitely be faster, but will it be more fun? Those cars completely lack adjustability at the limit and when you make a mistake as a driver they put you straight into the wall. And it had better be a 991 generation car if you expect a delta in speed One thing you don't have on your list is the F8X. Considerably faster than the E9X, exactly the same wonderful driving dynamics, can be bought for 40k
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09-13-2019, 01:25 PM | #42 | |
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As soon as I get a half cage and harnesses over winter the QFP's will be for sale for a reasonable price. |
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So - why is front BBK a must have on the list... I realize our cars are quite heavy, but is the factory system with the right pads, SS lines and fluid really that inadequate?
I just recently sold a very well built e36 M3 to begin building my E92.... my list was pretty similar to ones shared here, and I'm targeting around 12-15k before it's actually "ready" to get torn up around a track - but I didn't have BBK on that list.... Enlighten me? 😇 Thanks 🙏🏻
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Would you consider an insurance auction car? I've always thought you could find a track dedicated car for a good value if it comes with a salvage title, if it's not going to be registered or insured anyway you'll save a bunch of moolah if you can pick one that's serviceable.. obviously you won't be concerned with a little body damage.. just frame work.
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