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This is a NATIONAL case.
I guarantee the press would run with this. The is a case of fraud. This is a dream story for a news organization. A company defrauding a consumer, and even better, just telling them to go f-off. Anyone across the country would come to his defense. By the end of this this dealership should be banned from ebay have some sort of punishment from the commerce department of Nebraska and give this guy the car! |
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03-23-2008, 07:13 PM | #244 | |
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Moose, you sir are clueless.
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This was no mistake. He knowlingly placed the auction with no reserve and at a pricepoint for which he would never sell the car. This is illegal. |
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03-23-2008, 07:13 PM | #245 |
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No one is lynching the salesman. They took a shot and lost. When a customer realizes that they didn't have to pay $30k over MSRP for an m3, but did, does the customer get the 30k back?
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03-23-2008, 07:14 PM | #246 |
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I saw this on Autoblog and felt obliged to come here and post. Sorry to hear about your problems and I hope they honor their agreement.
I guess one lesson can be learned from this: anyone would be a fool to buy from BMW of Lincoln, Nebraska. |
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03-23-2008, 07:17 PM | #247 |
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wow I leave a day and the thread jumps from 4 to 12... Seems like theres a few e-thugs joining the boards to spark BS...
Just let it go and support dooma, if not then just gtfo, simple as that. The facts has already been said, no need for anymore shit from people that have no clue whats going on... Keep on keeping on Dooma!
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03-23-2008, 07:19 PM | #248 | |
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a bid price on a million dollar project can be rescinded with no more than a fax stating that you have made an error...period...no proof required... so even if you took a chance and 'lowballed' the bid, you can claim 'error' and rescind your bid...it's the LAW... the same will apply here.... so I guess a deal is a deal is not as simple as you make it, that's why we have laws and lawyers, to sort it out.... |
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CC companies have tried to mitigate the problem by putting the 3 number security code on the back to make sure you have actual physical ownership of the card, but it isn't a guarantee. But seriously, they just recently allowed electronic check transmittal from bank to bank and did away with the big clearing houses that used to physically handle bank to bank check transfers, and that was a HUUUUGE legal deal that requires a bunch of secure terminals and custom software (Carreker-Antinori was a big player in that, used to be partially owned subsidiary of SAIC). Anyhow, physical signatures are generally still the only iron-clad form of contractual agreements, although maybe in the future they'll find a way to make electronic agreements less susceptible to fraud. Anyhow, thats AFAIK, but of course at leeest thaz wut I red on sum fansee innertubes wayub site. |
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03-23-2008, 07:23 PM | #251 | |
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pharma companies sell drugs that kill you, and they know it, and yet they continue to so, and this ebay case trumps that? the best he can do it quietly negotiate with the dealer...the more PR, the more they will dig their heels in...mistakes are common, and they will not allow a precedence to be set... who do you think ebay will side with? the consumer who pays nothing, or the seller who pays fees and a % ? do the math |
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Minor Update: Email response from Fil, GM at dealer.
So I sent an email to the dealer, linking m3post.com and autoblog this afternoon so he could get a feel for how big this has gotten. Coincidentally, this is when the moosman showed up too. My email to Fil: (Note, nothing has been edited) Fil, As I mentioned, many people are outraged at this situation. Autoblog.com, a major automotive site has just now picked this story up. http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/23/b...-hon/#comments http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127993 I am absolutely determined to follow-up on this to the end, to get the deal I am entitled to. I hope we can get this resolved monday. Fils response? As repeated...I will converse with our corporate office. It feels like your harassing me. I now have people harassing me also. Easter is a special day for my religious beliefs, please let my family enjoy. Do not email anymore threats. Fil I have never threatened Fil in anyway, but I think he is perceiving this situation as a threat to him. Granted the Easter thing, I can appreciate but I dont expect him to reply to emails written today. As for people harassing him, well thats beyond my control as I don't know why they are calling Fil. It could be for other transgressions commited by the dealership.That said, please dont threaten Fil at the dealership |
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I am also an engineer. I work for a large medical company.
I agree with what you are saying about the scope of this issue. I disagree that you are saying that this is a mistake. It is obvious that the dealership retracted their offer. The spotlight needs to be put on this in order for any resolution to take place. Quiet negotiating does not work with a company who is pulling the rug out from a guy who won a bidding on ebay. They need to have outside pressure put on them, legally or otherwise. Quote:
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I am primarily making assumptions that the words you post with are at least vaguely rooted in truth. For example (and this is just one particular one) these:
"No wonder I never get anywhere in this world. I'm too worried about morals, ethics, principles, empathy and the other useless traits that tend to keep good guys down." Of course if you are just fabricating a persona entirely in an attempt to add validity to your stance, then ironically you've only accomplished throwing any integrity you may have had out the window. Such a situation will not be detectable here, so rather than dwell on that, I have chosen to treat you as a genuine entity and replied accordingly. But even if I am wrong, at least we don't end up with your bizarre reverse-straw-man argument clouding up and otherwise productive show of support and posterity for the OP. So then, on with the discussion, dear down-trodden mooseman. Quote:
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It's clear that mooseman knows very little about contract law and the mechanics of how an ebay auction functions. We've all provided him with countless examples of why the dealership (and he) are wrong. He chooses not to retort when the facts are staring him in the face. He is just sending this conversation in circles.
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So now you have moved onto what the legal obligations are? I thought you were the one saying that the reason not to go after the dealership was because it was wrong to expect them to take a loss on this deal (recall your original post)...not because contract law was on their side. The lawyers on the board have given their opinion about that, I'll go with their opinions on the law. Debating the ethics was kinda interesting though. |
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Go for it mate. Take them to court! Its been done before!
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Not sure if anyone else has pointed this out but in Australia. We had a similar case not too long ago in regards to a World War 2 vintage plane being sold on ebay. Stories: http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/ebay-...648121130.html http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news...648124637.html I bet there is someone out there that would be more than happy to hit this dealership up, not only for the car but also for the trouble. Good luck mate and start ringing. - Marcin |
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It should be emphasized here that Fil just could honor the deal that his dealership made instead. That would solve the whole thing. Quote:
I do agree with you that if anyone really has threatened Fil in some way, that's totally not cool. |
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And I think you misunderstood my post regarding spouses. One spouse can break a contract that the other signed regarding contracting. So, you might with full knowledge hire someone to put in windows in your house, but your wife could nullify the contract even though she isn't a signatory, and that would be JUST LIKE HER, ALWAYS MEDDLING! But it was an example as proof of laws looking to protect those involved or even affected by the contract. Our argument was regarding the "moral basis" of laws. And those are there to protect both buyer and seller. |
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