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03-09-2008, 10:18 PM | #1 |
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M3 v. 360
I noticed that the Ferrari 360 and the S65 engines have nearly the same specs. How would they fare against each other on the track? The nordschleife lap times between the E92 and the 360CS are 10 seconds apart, but what about the regular 360?
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Although the specs are close, the 360 weights 500lbs less!
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03-10-2008, 06:11 AM | #3 |
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On a track like the ring my money would be on the M3. Supercars generally can't perform as well on rough, bumper conditions as a so-called sportscar like the M3. But on a traditional race circuit I very much doubt the M3 would be able to match the 360 for long, as brakes and tyres would start to heat up much, much quicker.
The people I know who regularly use the ring say it's traditionally not a track which is that sore of brakes compared to a normal short circuit track. |
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03-10-2008, 06:27 AM | #4 |
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I think the engines are pretty comparable after having driven both, although the M3 didn't get the same workout because of the mileage on the car. Very similar characteristics though. They sound different because of the cranks, etc but both sound great in their own way. I was thinking of cars I have driven before that would be the closest thing to the new M3 4 liter, and the 360 always came to mind. The GT3 engine is also a good one I would imagine, although it's in a much lighter car as well, and I haven't had the chance to drive one of those unfortunately.
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03-10-2008, 09:55 AM | #5 |
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Sportauto had a Supertest of the F 360:
Nordschleife: 8:09 (M3: 8.05) Hockenheim: 1:15.1 (M3: 1:14.3) The 360 didn't run on UHP tires though. Best regards, south
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The Hockenheim time with UHP tyres would most likely improve by 1.3~2s so chances are the F360 would be a little quicker here, but like I said both tyres and brakes will heat up a lot quicker in the M3 so it will only hold on to the Ferrari on the first 1 or 2 laps. |
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We know a time of 1:15.4 for the M3 on PS2 tires, so you're right, the 360 is slightly faster. Best regards, south
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I wonder what they could achieve if BMW turned the efforts to developing a proper supercars, especially based on Audi's efforts. Regardless of what some may say, the R8 is a much better balance car than the Gallardo so Audi's efforts did turn the R8 into a much better car, even if a lot of the development work had been done in advance. |
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I think the tires have made a big difference here. Not the best comparison with the M3. Doesn't the Challenge Stradale have UHP tires and some lap times?
Nonetheless, this is very immpressive given the power to weight disparity among the cars. F360: 7.8 lb/hp M3 (US): 8.9 lb/hp 13% advantage to the Ferrari. According to the N'ring regression analysis the power to weight advantage of the Ferrari should have been good for about 9 seconds advantage on that track. Is it possible that the tires made up this 9 seconds then added 4 more to take the lead? I'd guess the tires would just about equalize the 9 seconds, again making the M3s win all the more impressive. Also south how about adding the F360 numbers to the "More performance..." thread? Such comparisons are valid and simply an honor for the M3. |
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I thought the same thing when I read that post time after time trying to understand it. I chalked it up to more PWing.
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Best regards, south
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Yeah, I know. Already posted.
Really not sure the point of those posts.
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Mantis, you can put more hookers in the trunk of the M3 than the F360
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