Schrick Cams Monday

[Richbot]

There is no situation I can think of that an LT1, for instance, wouldn't be a better crate? Why subject yourself to the huge OHC cylinder head if you're already fighting every other part of the swap? And you get DI if you use the new Chevy crates. Also and I know this isn't an NA solution, but it appears based on dimensions the LSA would fit under the hood of our cars...heh

If you must DOHC I think Ford sells a better crate for the money

But somebody should totally develop a bolt-in mercury marine swap kit for these cars and sell it for the price of a Dinan stroker, it'd probably still be cheaper on black friday

EDIT: Ok, Chevy Performance's website is extremely irritating. LS9's are seriously cheaper complete than an S65. What in the world

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by Richbot

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value is something we can all debate over and over.




If you want the most out of your S65, it isn't cheap. I have a dinan stroker in a 1 series bmw. I could have had more power for a lot cheaper with turbo upgrades... but everything isnt about power. The S65 has a lot of amazing qualities which are not simply quantified by price or by HP.

And price aside, my street car ran on COTA as fast as some of the Ford factory assisted GT350RC Imsa car and it did so with less power, less aero, AC, Carpets and a radio.

I respect what OP is doing and like many in here am waiting to see the gains from the cam. I expect 12-15hp.

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

value is something we can all debate over and over.




If you want the most out of your S65, it isn't cheap. I have a dinan stroker in a 1 series bmw. I could have had more power for a lot cheaper with turbo upgrades... but everything isnt about power. The S65 has a lot of amazing qualities which are not simply quantified by price or by HP.

And price aside, my street car ran on COTA as fast as some of the Ford factory assisted GT350RC Imsa car and it did so with less power, less aero, AC, Carpets and a radio.

I respect what OP is doing and like many in here am waiting to see the gains from the cam. I expect 12-15hp.

Exactly. The internet BMW forums are chock-full of people with a tune, ramz and exhaust on their cars (and DON'T FORGET THOSE CRUCIAL LED ANGEL EYES) telling people they should spend their money on track days and driving schools before tweaking their cars for better performance. "POINTLESS CAR WILL ONLY BE A LITTLE BIT FASTER YOU CAN'T EVEN DRIVE LOL"

I'm as guilty, in the past, as anybody of that sometimes, but it's lame and I was lame for saying it(usually, sometimes it's justified...heh, but for the times it wasn't I am ashamed of my lameness). Making cars faster, even a teeny bit, is fun. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF A CAR OR WE'D JUST WALK

/rant

Also...there is a continuum of driver skill. If you've been up-close wheel to wheel with top-tier drivers who can and have won against anybody on a good day, you know take the extra 12hp because those guys are basically cheating

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by Richbot

Exactly. The internet BMW forums are chock-full of people with a tune, ramz and exhaust on their cars (and DON'T FORGET THOSE CRUCIAL LED ANGEL EYES) telling people they should spend their money on track days and driving schools before tweaking their cars for better performance. "POINTLESS CAR WILL ONLY BE A LITTLE BIT FASTER YOU CAN'T EVEN DRIVE LOL"

I'm as guilty, in the past, as anybody of that sometimes, but it's lame and I was lame for saying it(usually, sometimes it's justified...heh, but for the times it wasn't I am ashamed of my lameness). Making cars faster, even a teeny bit, is fun. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF A CAR OR WE'D JUST WALK

/rant

Also...there is a continuum of driver skill. If you've been up-close wheel to wheel with top-tier drivers who can and have won against anybody on a good day, you know take the extra 12hp because those guys are basically cheating

Totally- it is really two conversations, one about driver skill, which is something that can take a lifetime to work on and hardware. Both valid points but things not to be confused.

We are all enthusiasts here and we all take enjoyment from our cars differently. Generally on the forums you have builders and drivers. Most of us are somewhere inbetween. Many people don't live near tracks and their enjoyment reflects that.

In a hardware discussion, which this is, there is always value in bringing new information to the table. There is very little information on cams and regardless of OP gain, he is contributing to the platform and there is great value in that.

[tlow98]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

value is something we can all debate over and over.
I respect what OP is doing and like many in here am waiting to see the gains from the cam. I expect 12-15hp.

I was hoping based on the S54 cam gains and the shape of the power curve there might be up to 25-30hp in cams for the S65. Of course, the two motors aren't really related, but I thought the headroom left from the factory might be similar.

Interesting to hear your more educated opinion/guess.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by tlow98

I was hoping based on the S54 cam gains and the shape of the power curve there might be up to 25-30hp in cams for the S65. Of course, the two motors aren't really related, but I thought the headroom left from the factory might be similar.

Interesting to hear your more educated opinion/guess.

My guess of 12-15whp is based on conversations with some of the Dinan team on what they experience. 25-30hp from what they tell me will only be achieved with solid lifters and new valve springs in addition to a cam and proper tune.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

My guess of 12-15whp is based on conversations with some of the Dinan team on what they experience. 25-30hp from what they tell me will only be achieved with solid lifters and new valve springs in addition to a cam and proper tune.

That's what I expect as well. Still if you can get 15whp just from cams and 10 more from BW's LT headers, well, that's pretty good.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

That's what I expect as well. Still if you can get 15whp just from cams and 10 more from BW's LT headers, well, that's pretty good.

I'm a bit unsure on the actual gains of the headers.

If I had to guess what OP car will dyno at FBO w/ cams it will be around 50-55hp over a stock car.

[tlow98]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

My guess of 12-15whp is based on conversations with some of the Dinan team on what they experience. 25-30hp from what they tell me will only be achieved with solid lifters and new valve springs in addition to a cam and proper tune.

Forgot about the hydraulic lifters in the S65. Now I see why Dinan made their stroker and didn't bother to put cams in it.

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by tlow98

Forgot about the hydraulic lifters in the S65. Now I see why Dinan made their stroker and didn't bother to put cams in it.

They have been putting cams on their race motors. It wasn't offered on the street consumer strokers.

[peter de la mare]

I can see I’m just going to have to buy some and find out. I’ll be nice and do the before/after dyno runs.

[peter de la mare]

This is going to be happening soon, I haven't gotten about it. Cams are on the way.

[Patrón]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

They have been putting cams on their race motors. It wasn't offered on the street consumer strokers.

I tried asking the pit crew guys at the Texas Lemans series when Telemex was using the dinan motors and they said they were not sure. I tried getting more information but never could. I would think that the race motors wouldn't utilize the vanos system therefore cams would be the way to go vs vanos.

[Obioban]

Subscribed!

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by Patrón

I tried asking the pit crew guys at the Texas Lemans series when Telemex was using the dinan motors and they said they were not sure. I tried getting more information but never could. I would think that the race motors wouldn't utilize the vanos system therefore cams would be the way to go vs vanos.

If you want information, you should hit up the guys who build them. Give them a call, they will answer your questions.

Www.carbahnautoworks.com

[IMG]

Any power figures or Dyno yet?

[peter de la mare]

Originally Posted by IMG

Any power figures or Dyno yet?

Next week hopefully. I have the cams, just waiting for my calipers to come back from painting/refurb so I can get the car mobile again. I’m way behind my planned schedule, as always.

[IMG]

Originally Posted by peter de la mare

Next week hopefully. I have the cams, just waiting for my calipers to come back from painting/refurb so I can get the car mobile again. IÂ’m way behind my planned schedule, as always.

Originally Posted by peter de la mare

Next week hopefully. I have the cams, just waiting for my calipers to come back from painting/refurb so I can get the car mobile again. IÂ’m way behind my planned schedule, as always.

Nice

[SYT_Shadow]

I still want to see an update from OP. We're growing old over here!

[8k4]

Lol what about the guy with the V10 swap, talk about growing old

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by 8k4

Lol what about the guy with the V10 swap, talk about growing old

My dream car 😭

[IMG]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I still want to see an update from OP. We're growing old over here!

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