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Read C5 ZO6 7:56 C6 7:59 Enough said, if you track your car, and on the same track as a C6 you'll get dusted. Argument over. never mind, you don't have a E46 M3 or a E92 M3, so if I see you on a solo 1 track, I'll actually dust you in a Subaru. Last edited by spearfisher; 02-15-2008 at 03:39 PM.. |
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The E36 is a great car and everyone on this site should respect that.
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read all my posts, I respect all cars, I don't bash cars, unlike some people. besides, I state the facts, just like hey I'll admit a 997 turbo will dust me, so will an F430. STI won't dust a E36?? |
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Exactly my point!!!!! well not exactly.... In my case its three schools girls and thier backpacks full of school books.
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March 2008, pg. 98 test ------- 2008 M3 (414 hp) -------2008 C6 (436hp) 0-60 --------- 4.1 --------------------4.3 0-100 -------- 9.4 ---------------------9.5 1/4 mi-------12.5@114.8--------------12.6@115.7 top speed ------161 (lim) ---------------190 60-0 -----------112---------------------119 80-0 ----------- 197 --------------------212 skidpad --------- 0.99 -------------------0.93 slalom -----------71.4--------------------69.2 mpg -------------15 (est)----------------16.1 Just the facts boys.....just the facts.
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Whether or not I have installed springs is irrelevant. Just FYI I have, I have replaced the entire main suspension components in my E36 M3 and did all the work myself. I listed the basic functions of a spring in my initial post on the topic and again stick by those comments 100%. What you are missing (again with the Buick or carbon nanotube analogy) is the difference between a typical implementation of a given design and a very different, much higher performance implementation. The devil is in the details and what you continue to miss is that a leaf spring can be light, strong and high performance, period. You are simply wrong here, accept it and move along with some new knowledge. In talking about the lack of progressive springs in the market I was referring mostly to stock suspensions. And if you want a more scientific description of what I meant by "funny" I would say that non-linear springs in general cause a higher deceleration and deceleration derivative ("jerk") in the late stages of travel. What does this mean in real life - not as good of a feel as a linear spring. Sure there are advantages - namely the ability to deal with a larger load range in less travel but the advantages are accompanied by disadvantages as well. |
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^^ That simply might be the best post I have ever read! What a concise and thorough comparison of these two cars and an explanation I highly agree with. |
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I like the comment posted somewhere in the banter that when you think of Corvette, you think of mullets.
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I agree with that, good find but every mag will have varying times, some in your favor some in mine. but that said it must be on a level playing feild, I belive the vette was tested in 93 degree weather BMW in 57 degree weather, that said you will stand by your claims as will I, I think power to weigt ratio will prevail, but I know BMW's always post faster times than tested, perfect example is the 335, great performing car. I will wait for hard core data, a comparo done by a reliable source, or when I drive one. I hope to encounter one at Moroso and reserve my final thought then, I think that will really be my deciding factor. |
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I agree, many things vary, drivers, pavement, temps, humidity, altitude, variations in cars, tires, air pressure, etc. but I doubt the two will ever be mag tested back to back as most dont shop a two door vs. a sedan. On a road course or drag stip the M3 and C6 are sooooo close that the driver will determine which is faster. Which IMO gives the M3 the win being that its a 4/5 seat sports sedan as opposed to a dedicated 2 seat sports car.
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Corvette C6 1.14,8 min 8.15 min BMW M3 n/a min 8.05 min In my opinion both cars are great ones, but very different. The bmw beats the corvette on the track abundantly clear. |
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nice find - but I am sure you will be challenged - were these tests on the same day? same driver? same conditions? and is that the 2008 C6 with 236 hp?
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However, I still stand behind my words that given the same condition (weather and driver), M3 is faster on n-ring than, both C5 and C5 Z06. Without a doubt in my mind. I will also note that this is the first semi-official time for M3, which is still very much a new car and naturally that time will be reduced as people get accommodated with the car. Different drivers, different skills. Also, it would be interesting to see whether the track was empty when M3 was tested. Often times, they will test time with other drivers on the track. You'll dust me in a Subaru? Trying hard not to give you my honest answer as it would put me on, apparently your 13-year old level. Do you also have a bigger brother that will beat me up? Swamp2, I cannot communicate with you. You are balls deep in something that you obviously don't understand, or at least from your verbiage that's what it seems. You might know it in your head, but thats not what I am reading. Some of things you are counter-arguing are basic, and I don't have time or patience to address it or to put in layman's terms. Good luck and keep up the good status. I'm not here to impress anyone. |
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