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What the hell? V6? Are u sure u know what u are buying?
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I had both the E92 ZCP and F80...
For a long time, the E92 was the best all around car there was to me - most nostalgic and special feeling of recent (E46M is the right size and special too) But when the S55 hooks up in those rare moments fuck it's fast - however I had the manual and always found myself in reverse than first - I am mega strong - and almost slammed into several cars behind me One of the issues I have is that the PSS tire is rubbish... It's lighter but can't hold grip for shit. The PS2 and sport cup are better but I like the trofeo best. I have tested the BMW, Audi and Porsche (N) spec tires and the VAG tire has a softer/grippier compound than BMW even if the numbers don't say so. I think BMW star is better for longevity. I have actually moved back the VAGP domain and there is a specific car that makes me forget all about BMWs. When I think of BMW I remember the E92 first and then I remember a pristine E30 I saw on the back of a trailer. This car has been discussed on some of the threads. To each their own. I'm glad there is the F8X for those who want turbo and E9X for those that want NA. It would have been super cool if you could get a choice on a turbo option and an NA option. Go for what you love even if you change your mind all the time. It just sucks to wait when you want to go back to the other version but can't because you have to pay down or wait for values to come back up. |
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Keep in mind the redic emission standards palcedon newer cars. The lag the F8X has would be all but eliminated by opening the exhaust, you can safely do 5 things to a stock turbo car that add insane power and even more torque.
1. Open exhaust up (F8X prob has 3-4 Cats and various restrictions on a 6 cyl) 2. SAFELY add 3-5psi, and eliminate the boost taper that almost all OEM f/i have 3. Lean out a/f...Stock f/i always run rich factory to prevent knock...We all know a rich mixture is safer bc its harder to burn thus harder to detonate. But also causes long term damage to cylinder walls and robs a tremendous amount of power... (Catch 22 bc they actally are less economic, just destroy more pollution and unburnt hydrocarbons and NOX before it gets in our atmosphere LOL) 4. Advance Ignition timing by a few degrees, another safety "Build in" 5. Run higher octane fuel or meth injection. Those 5 things done properly cost very little and are good for 150+ extra HP @ the wheels. Now, Devils advocate "No replacement for displacement" Lower comp ratio(dynamic or static) and boost a 4.0 Liter s65 thats balanced enough to rev to 9k and geared to keep you within 1000 rpms of max power....The e9x would teach the f8x what power looks like. I have an e92 and am currently in the market to supercharge maybe even a full engine build. I built track cars for a living in my 20's and ike to believe i have the touch for picking the right COMBINATION of mods... But Ive seen a few sexy m4s that ive been embarassed to pull up next. Obviously im conflicted LOL
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Another very interesting point you bring about, regarding a/f being too rich on stock f8x car, i think this applies to the s65 also !! i see all those s65 dyno that instead of looking like a triangle, look like a parallelogram due to a flat plateau above 7000 rpm, and when plotting a/f ratio shows engine running very rich near redline and hp coming much short of expectation. Then if you extrapolate the curve it confirms the engine ramp (slope) was comform to hp spec until it hits the plateau. Those discussions are usually all lost in dyno machines endless (and pointless) debates. I even sumised that bmw which now has telemetry control over our DME would be capable of reprogramming a/f targets maps (through some manufacturer software access protected back doors) to save itself from RB fail engine warranty claims. I know it's a bit far fetch but the technology is in place they could have done it. To me the F8x M4/3 is not the car i want to compare to the M3 i think BMW never gave us the engine successor to the S65 and it makes little sense to try to compare it to a 3.0L tt, clearly a step backward. A reliable turbo on the S65 would completely close that debate. Emission regulations is only part of the reason, the other is that unlike Nissan who patiently perfected the GTR 3.6 L TT engine for supercar level output, BMW only took the 335is N55 engine and incrementally added Mitsubishi turbo scrolls (they are) with a huge dose of paranoia, lack of confidence and certainly far from trying to take a cutting edge leader position. It is a very conservative iteration of the N55 engine not even a motorsport engine. Some have said the S65 does not have more power to extract with a turbo. I think the team with sound engineering has not tried yet. One can only hope that with turbo becoming so prevalent, the technology for it will become so perfected that it will become a bolt on economically feasible in small volume. When and if that days come, F8x will be clearly less desirable than E9x M3's. But i think the successor to the F8x will probably be a more aggressive turbo design can we hope for a V8 high revving Turbo that would be the legitimate successor to the S65 ? Last edited by Rajmun340; 05-06-2016 at 12:18 AM.. |
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Hybrid sounds like an upgrade? Properly implemented, it could provide torque fill to eliminate the lag in the S55, much like the P1.
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I don't think so. Gas engines are still the much cheaper and more familiar way to make fast cars for manufacturers. I expect the next iteration will improve on turbo technology and that's it. An electric motor is only complementary to NA engine, but not a TC engine. hybrid + turbo would be a complete mess to design and inconsistent power plant to drive. Expect to see pure electric Tesla type fast cars competing with TC engines but no hybrid in the performance car segment.
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I had the opportunity to jump into an F80 M3 from a 400whp e92 and I have to agree with some members on here; I absolutely prefer the all around experience of the e9X over the F80 in almost every measurable way. It's THE all around drivers car for real driving enthusiasts. The F80 captures a larger audience imho. It's fast! But it didn't make me fall for it. It was like awkward sex with a bitchy, smoking hot girl whereas the e9X was on point from the momentum I put my fingers in her.. Errr, drove her.
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Nice LOL. Sums it up beautifully I haven't convinced one of my co-workers to let me drive his new F80-M3 but I've heard the exhaust inside and out at WOT and understand why it's so criticized. It really does sound like sh!t compared to the stock e92 M3. I'm sure there are some after market exhausts that will help it. The torque is exhilarating but I'll wait until I've actually driven one to comment on the driving experience.
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Sold it for an f80 Sold it for an e92 M3. That's all I have to say.
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