Whos running Mobil 1 0w-40?

[M3]

I sold my E92 M3 before I got to try the Castrol Edge Fluid Titanium 0w-40 that is made in Germany. But I do run it in my E38 and I like it far more than the Mobil 1 0w-40 that I used for about a year. The car revs more freely and the instant low end torque while cruising is always at it's best. You guys should try the newer German Castrol if the Mobil 1 0w-40 weight works. It's a group IV. base stock too if I'm not mistaken, top notch stuff.

[REV1]

Originally Posted by W///

Last 3 is Mobil1 0W40. I forgot to mention that I did run a tank of Techron before this oil change. Don't know if that does anything or not:

You mentioned the last 3 were with Mobil 1 the others were with TWS 10-60
Correct?

I was looking specifically at the zinc levels. I have heard recently that the original Mobil 1 has less zinc than it did previously. I also heard that the new Extended wear Mobil contains the same level of zinc that the old Mobil 1 contained.

[W///]

Originally Posted by REV1

You mentioned the last 3 were with Mobil 1 the others were with TWS 10-60
Correct?

I was looking specifically at the zinc levels. I have heard recently that the original Mobil 1 has less zinc than it did previously. I also heard that the new Extended wear Mobil contains the same level of zinc that the old Mobil 1 contained.

Sorry, should have been more clear. The 10W60 was Liqui Moly. And yes, the last 3 were Mobil1 0W-40.

[REV1]

Originally Posted by W///

Sorry, should have been more clear. The 10W60 was Liqui Moly. And yes, the last 3 were Mobil1 0W-40.

The reason I mentioned that is an engine builder I trust and have known
for a long time who has always been a Mobil 1 advocate recently told
me some of the Mobil 1 products have dipped to 600 ppm on zinc and that that worries him. (they do it because zinc is bad for catalytic converters) He said ideally you would want to be closer to 1000 ppm. Even for modern engines zinc is important its stops metal to metal contact. It sounds like the "new improved" extended wear version of M1 may have higher ppm zinc.

I have not thoroughly investigated this but I would keep an eye on zinc
levels if it gets closer to 600 ppm you always could use an additive.
Race oils typically will have more Zinc.

There are tons of threads on the zinc topic but I thought it was worth mentioning because of change to Mobil 1.

[G80indy]

Zinc?
Redline 0w-40

[admranger]

Originally Posted by W///

Sorry, should have been more clear. The 10W60 was Liqui Moly. And yes, the last 3 were Mobil1 0W-40.

I find it ironic that the liquimoly has almost no moly in it...if I'm reading your reports correctly, while the mobil1 does have a nice bit of moly in it.

[maloo]

I'm using the Pennzoil "Ferrari oil" 5w40 Euro. Highly recommended. Does anybody know the zinc levels or done a Blackstone on this specific oil?

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by maloo

I'm using the Pennzoil "Ferrari oil" 5w40 Euro. Highly recommended. Does anybody know the zinc levels or done a Blackstone on this specific oil?

Google works pretty good.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2100590

[maloo]

Originally Posted by thekurgan

Google works pretty good.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2100590

I'm not sure that's the same oil? Pennzoil discontinued the 5w40 Euro "Ultra" oil and replaced it with a "Platinum" designation. It may just be a labeling change but it seems strange they downgraded the Euro to their lesser tier of oil. Also, the old Ultra could be ordered directly from Pennzoil web site but that's not an option for the new Platinum.

http://www.amazon.com/Pennzoil-55004...&keywords=5w40

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by maloo

I'm not sure that's the same oil? Pennzoil discontinued the 5w40 Euro "Ultra" oil and replaced it with a "Platinum" designation. It may just be a labeling change but it seems strange they downgraded the Euro to their lesser tier of oil. Also, the old Ultra could be ordered directly from Pennzoil web site but that's not an option for the new Platinum.

http://www.amazon.com/Pennzoil-55004...&keywords=5w40

Yeah, I'm not sure, I thought you were looking for the euro. If you stay on that site, you might find a VOA on the platinum.

[Gumulri]

Originally Posted by maloo

I'm using the Pennzoil "Ferrari oil" 5w40 Euro. Highly recommended. Does anybody know the zinc levels or done a Blackstone on this specific oil?

+1
I do like pennzoil ferrari oil.
I have spend about $500 for doing oil change in this month
every week I tested tws edge, m1 0-40, castrol 5w-50, penzoil 5w-40 euro.
so I ended to using penzoil. it much smoother than the m1 and cooler to me.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by REV1

The reason I mentioned that is an engine builder I trust and have known
for a long time who has always been a Mobil 1 advocate recently told
me some of the Mobil 1 products have dipped to 600 ppm on zinc and that that worries him. (they do it because zinc is bad for catalytic converters) He said ideally you would want to be closer to 1000 ppm. Even for modern engines zinc is important its stops metal to metal contact. It sounds like the "new improved" extended wear version of M1 may have higher ppm zinc.

I have not thoroughly investigated this but I would keep an eye on zinc
levels if it gets closer to 600 ppm you always could use an additive.
Race oils typically will have more Zinc.

There are tons of threads on the zinc topic but I thought it was worth mentioning because of change to Mobil 1.

As of September 2014, Mobil was claiming 1100 ppm for 0W40:

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us...ecs-guide.ashx

I believe there is a new standard for some oils that limit phospohorus to 800 ppm. Zinc and phosphorus are related and I do not know whether the new standard applies to Mobil 1 0W40 or if it does, whether it can comply and still maintain the 1100 ppm of zinc.

[REV1]

^ good find..

The 0-40 looks good according to that chart hopefully it hasn't changed.

Its that 0-20 and one other "advanced mileage blend" that look really low on zinc.

I think its worth keeping an eye on the 0-40 zinc levels though.

[FashionablyFast]

I've read that a couple people mixes 0-40 and 10-60.....as strange as that might sound, wouldn't that make sense because it's the best of both worlds?

I'm currently using TWS Edge 10-60 but considering making the change to Mobil1 0-40..hence why I'm reading through this 43 page thread/debate.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by OhSoCal

I've read that a couple people mixes 0-40 and 10-60.....as strange as that might sound, wouldn't that make sense because it's the best of both worlds?

I'm currently using TWS Edge 10-60 but considering making the change to Mobil1 0-40..hence why I'm reading through this 43 page thread/debate.

Or the worst

[Gumulri]

[QUOTE=OhSoCal;17643920]I've read that a couple people mixes 0-40 and 10-60.....as strange as that might sound, wouldn't that make sense because it's the best of both worlds?
I'm currently using TWS Edge 10-60 but considering making the change to Mobil1 0-40..hence why I'm reading through this 43 page thread/


if you are in so california with hot weather. I would not recomend you.
Few weeks ago I was using m1 0-40 and it was about 90. me and friend going to somewhere also having some fun with hard driving after that oil temperture went up to 260 never seen that high before after turn off the car fan was on for 30mins. I think that is not a good sign with that oil.

[admranger]

[QUOTE=Gumulri;17652577]

Originally Posted by OhSoCal

I've read that a couple people mixes 0-40 and 10-60.....as strange as that might sound, wouldn't that make sense because it's the best of both worlds?
I'm currently using TWS Edge 10-60 but considering making the change to Mobil1 0-40..hence why I'm reading through this 43 page thread/


if you are in so california with hot weather. I would not recomend you.
Few weeks ago I was using m1 0-40 and it was about 90. me and friend going to somewhere also having some fun with hard driving after that oil temperture went up to 260 never seen that high before after turn off the car fan was on for 30mins. I do not think that is not a good sign with that oil.

Good info! Thanks for posting!

[Gumulri]

Originally Posted by OhSoCal

I've read that a couple people mixes 0-40 and 10-60.....as strange as that might sound, wouldn't that make sense because it's the best of both worlds?

I'm currently using TWS Edge 10-60 but considering making the change to Mobil1 0-40..hence why I'm reading through this 43 page thread/debate.

but try penzoil 5w-40 euro
much smoother and quieter than 10w60

[FRFNUGN]

(Posted also in the oil analysis reports thread, but this is good info for 0W-40)

My latest report below. Lead back to normal thankfully, not sure what to make of the iron - decreased some, but still high. Nickel increased however. Iron level seems to correspond to the switch to 0W-40 (8/30/14 was the first 0W-40, previous two were 10W-60). Maybe I ought to go back to 10W-60, see what happens? I wonder if the initial lead spike was due to the switch to 0W-40 and having a fine layer wear off due to the light weight oil, but not it's settled at a happy clearance with the choice of oil, any thoughts?

[FRFNUGN]

This report (combined with the following statement from BITOG) makes me feel like my iron isn't out of the ordinary (which isn't to say it's good, though). If you linearly extrapolate W///'s numbers to the same interval as mine, he'd be at ~10-11ppm on 10W-60 and around 25-30ppm on 0W-40.

From BITOG:
(Iron) is the only wear metal that accurately and linearly increases with the length of time the oil has been in service. It has many sources inside of an engine, most commonly coming from cylinder liners, camshaft lobes, crankshaft journals, and oil pumps.

Originally Posted by W///

Last 3 is Mobil1 0W40. I forgot to mention that I did run a tank of Techron before this oil change. Don't know if that does anything or not:

[Richbot]

My iron levels were ~9ppm at ~7000 miles with M1.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by Gumulri

if you are in so california with hot weather. I would not recomend you.
Few weeks ago I was using m1 0-40 and it was about 90. me and friend going to somewhere also having some fun with hard driving after that oil temperture went up to 260 never seen that high before after turn off the car fan was on for 30mins. I think that is not a good sign with that oil.

I tracked with 0w40 in 105 degree F weather and the oil temps were fine. Oil temp will go up to 260 with 10w60 as well in track conditions - that is normal. That is a sign that the oil is doing its job - it is lubricating and taking heat away from the engine as the oil heats up. It is the same principle as if you held a cold glass of water in your hand. Your hand cools down but the ice water starts melting as it is absorbing your heat.