HPDE: E92 M3 total loss

[OC3]

Originally Posted by 66BM

... I also agree, unless there is impact, or failure, no stopping. Once the car is at a stop, roll slowly up to the flag station (if there is one) or back on track (watching for traffic) no reason to stop completely unless there is impact. I tell my students all the time. "Two feet in". Car settles, are you ok, then lets slowly get back on track. This is a shame...

+1

[rev9k]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I've been going for quite a while myself. I have 18 days this year and no photos, except the first day with my new build e46. My own car! Being part of a public forum has no bearing on what you do at the track and the respect you give other drivers. Saying oh well people are assholes, I might as well be one too doesn't fly in my book.

you keep missing the point. You're on a track at an HPDE or even better comp event. Many spectators take pics, and that carnage is what attracts people; sh1t we're here discussing it.

What I'm saying is it's funny that people are like, "take it down"

there's no ID or plate visible on the car and there's no one saying who it is, so who cares.

The point, again, is that its' 2013. Expect everyone to have photos and to post them at their will. It is what it is.

[surlynkid]

Hugh - it is obvious your view is slanted because you work in the insurance industry and think an HPDE person is going to screw the industry out of a claim. Everyone that tracks is telling you the same thing yet you refuse to listen. You do understand that perhaps a driving group will just not invite you back, correct? Coming to the track with a particular organization is a privilege, not a right. Don't find yourself with nowhere to track.

[WarrantyTracker]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I am guessing this was posted without the consent of the owner of the car in the picture...


If it is the case, out of respect, I would recommend deleting this thread.

Photo deleted. As for the driver, the post shows nothing but respect. So as to the thread, I defer to the mods as to whether it is educational and cautionary (as I offer it) or exploitative (as you may be suggesting), but in any event I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else.

That would be all I have to add to the thread.

[M3 Esq]

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

Photo deleted. As for the driver, the post shows nothing but respect. So as to the thread, I defer to the mods as to whether it is educational and cautionary (as I offer it) or exploitative (as you may be suggesting), but in any event I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else.

That would be all I have to add to the thread.

Despite the fact that I object to posting these kinds of photos without the drivers consent, I still this this generated a worthwhile discussion. So I'm not sure whether to thank you or admonish you.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by M3 Esq.

Despite the fact that I object to posting these kinds of photos without the drivers consent, I still this this generated a worthwhile discussion. So I'm not sure whether to thank you or admonish you.

I agree, the bit about not stopping in the grass is useful for some but could be done without refering to a particular incident.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

Photo deleted. As for the driver, the post shows nothing but respect. So as to the thread, I defer to the mods as to whether it is educational and cautionary (as I offer it) or exploitative (as you may be suggesting), but in any event I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else.

That would be all I have to add to the thread.

Thank you

[Sleeper519]

It still bothers me is that the same people who are preaching the "morality" angle here are the same ones who sound like they are trying "spin" their wreck story to the insurance companies. like there are alternate versions of the truth? C'mon.

Be HONEST and you have nothing to hide or worry about.

OP presented this thread (and pic) with no disrespect to the driver. This isn't People magazine and nobody here is gawking. It was an unfortunate accident but promoted a dialogue of certain hazards on the track.

[rev9k]

I don't want people to think I may have done the same and maybe things are miscontrued; but what I'm saying is that in 2013, expect things of this nature (i.e. pics plastered all over the internet).

Believe me I would not have taken the pic, but it's not unreasonable is all I was saying.


And the point of the no plate thing is more for warranty issues etc. Do some research and you'll see going back years, car dealers have become pretty savvy w/ regards to denying warranty claims based on abuse and the aforementioned being found somewhere online


Either way, hope it works out for the driver!

[rev9k]

Originally Posted by Sleeper519

It still bothers me is that the same people who are preaching the "morality" angle here are the same ones who sound like they are trying "spin" their wreck story to the insurance companies. like there are alternate versions of the truth? C'mon.

Be HONEST and you have nothing to hide or worry about.

OP presented this thread (and pic) with no disrespect to the driver. This isn't People magazine and nobody here is gawking. It was an unfortunate accident but promoted a dialogue of certain hazards on the track.

Thank you!! Some logic here on M3post, finally

... that's the point, there was no ID'ing anyone, just a random pic of an M3 on fire.\


Shit, this could've been on the side of the interstate for all people no, right??



This atitude about the pics thing during events like this no doubt occurs w/ insurance in mind.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by surlynkid

Hugh - it is obvious your view is slanted because you work in the insurance industry and think an HPDE person is going to screw the industry out of a claim. Everyone that tracks is telling you the same thing yet you refuse to listen. You do understand that perhaps a driving group will just not invite you back, correct? Coming to the track with a particular organization is a privilege, not a right. Don't find yourself with nowhere to track.

Exactly my thoughts. That and Huge is a huge tool and probably has posted something similar somewhere in the past. Now he's defending another person based on a guilty conscience.
Don't go away mad, just go away.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

Photo deleted. As for the driver, the post shows nothing but respect. So as to the thread, I defer to the mods as to whether it is educational and cautionary (as I offer it) or exploitative (as you may be suggesting), but in any event I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else.

That would be all I have to add to the thread.

Not a big deal. You're not a total asshat. Just mostly

[WarrantyTracker]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but many posters whom I have offended with a photograph (and did not wish to offend) were not similarly reluctant to participate in a recent thread commenting on a video in which an unfortunate novice crashed and hospitalized himself. So I am totally flummoxed to find myself needing Nomex underwear off the track. But thanks for letting me off the hook (I think?).

[Gearhead999s]

My thinking is that any incident stays at the track unless the person(s) involved wants to post up pictures and talk about it on a public forum.So far with the incidents that I have been around, have stayed with the parties involved and that has been the end of it.However incidents can be used to learn from for the future.

[Shaung]

I disagree with the logic that "it's going to be all over the internet, so why not post it here". This is an M3 board and I prefer to let the owners tell the story.

And I've seen plenty of destroyed cars at HPDE days GT3's, Z06's, M3's Ariel atoms etc. I've even seen instructor laying in the grass after a student rolled a 2002. I don't take pics and don't post them.

Just my opinion

[Sleeper519]

Originally Posted by surlynkid

Exactly why I have an extinguisher on board. Lockton would cover that. Was the car stuck? We are always reminded to never stop moving, especially in dry grass. If he could have kept rolling, that would be the only mistake. From other info, I got the impression things were damp though.

For insurance, I would move it off track and tell my insurance that it happened elsewhere. No wreck so hard for them to prove it didn't happen in your driveway and get put out by your garden hose.

...real nice.

Originally Posted by surlynkid

Hugh - it is obvious your view is slanted because you work in the insurance industry and think an HPDE person is going to screw the industry out of a claim. Everyone that tracks is telling you the same thing yet you refuse to listen. You do understand that perhaps a driving group will just not invite you back, correct? Coming to the track with a particular organization is a privilege, not a right. Don't find yourself with nowhere to track.

yup, sounds like you just proved his point.



The hypocrisy on this thread is nauseating.

[surlynkid]

He didn't crash though. I have track insurance for a crash. He parked his car in dry grass. That could happen at parking for an outdoor concert or just about anywhere. No real track incident in my opinion other than he was at a track.

[raptor]

I didn't get to see the car during or after the fire. On my next session out after the incident, I came over the hill at 14 and saw the entire field charred.

I knew it was cold and dry out this weekend, but that fire must have really spread fast.

[rev9k]

who cares? this thread has gonnnneeeee wayyyyyy off topic.


No one even identified the car?? You guys are funny? this couldve' been a random photo on Jalopnik no?? And then what??

No one is saying its, john smith from xxx. Please.. Also real mature to call me a tool to the above guy.. funny

[rev9k]

Originally Posted by Bmw135er

Exactly my thoughts. That and Huge is a huge tool and probably has posted something similar somewhere in the past. Now he's defending another person based on a guilty conscience.
Don't go away mad, just go away.

I don't post the pics, never have. Just stating the obvious to everyone getting bent outta shape over a RANDOM PIC ON THE INTERNET!!!


Thanks for calling me a tool as well; real mature

[OC3]

Realists vs idealists...

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

Not to put too fine a point on it, but many posters whom I have offended with a photograph (and did not wish to offend) were not similarly reluctant to participate in a recent thread commenting on a video in which an unfortunate novice crashed and hospitalized himself. So I am totally flummoxed to find myself needing Nomex underwear off the track. But thanks for letting me off the hook (I think?).

We learn everyday. I never thought it would be a big deal to take pics until my engine blew up and then caught fire for a moment 2.5 years ago.

It's all good. Anyone who is eternally offended can ...I'll leave that alone.