ESS 550 Kit.. Tuned by Mike Benvo

RingMeister01 · 09-10-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by iamcpap

The response from Sal is a GAME ENDER... CLASSIC...

Absolutely amazing how this unraveled. I think the real drama is about to begin...

1MOREMOD · 09-10-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RingMeister01

Absolutely amazing how this unraveled. I think the real drama is about to begin...

I use epic tune? Is that safe any rumors there?

I'm also in my garage now trying to throw a tune on my mower.

jbraslins · 09-10-2013, 02:59 PM

The only thing I am getting out of this, is that everyone uses each other tunes (at least as baseline/for analysis) and they are all about the same.

Would be a kicker if they are all based on GTS tune or something. Lol.

No idea about SC, obviously that has to be different.

pkimM3r · 09-10-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jbraslins

The only thing I am getting out of this, is that everyone uses each other tunes (at least as baseline/for analysis) and they are all about the same.

Would be a kicker if they are all based on GTS tune or something. Lol.

No idea about SC, obviously that has to be different.

damn, we all have GTS at the price of a base m3! good enough

think we are missing some displacement though.

jbraslins · 09-10-2013, 03:06 PM

Hey, I admit I have no idea about this stuff

I just think this shit makes you wonder about all vendors. Def not good for tuner reputation overall.

I have a BPM tune and I posted before and after dynos. I dunno where the tune came from, but it definitely worked.

Soorena · 09-10-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

What i got out of it is that m3 tuners dont like each other.

They don't love each other, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by bubu

Powerchip 2.0 anyone? I called it early

Nah, but only if this lawsuit thing get more serious... lol

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

I use epic tune? Is that safe any rumors there?

I'm also in my garage now trying to throw a tune on my mower.

Randy Mueller is incredibely good at what he does.

gatorfast · 09-10-2013, 03:19 PM

Read the other thread and not sure what to think. Kind of a he said she said game and it seems as if all the tuners generally work together/use each others tunes as baselines.

bubu · 09-10-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jbraslins

Hey, I admit I have no idea about this stuff

I just think this shit makes you wonder about all vendors. Def not good for tuner reputation overall.

I have a BPM tune and I posted before and after dynos. I dunno where the tune came from, but it definitely worked.

...well now you know where your tune came from, Evolve with a sprinkling of throttle remap "to improve drivability".

happos2 · 09-10-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bubu

Just read Sal's post on the "time out corner" board. Wow

If no one has already said it I'm saying it now...Mike Benvo is exactly what the "haters" have accused him off.

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Read the other thread and not sure what to think. Kind of a he said she said game and it seems as if all the tuners generally work together/use each others tunes as baselines.

Bubu, how do you know one party is telling the truth over the other? There were no facts with supporting documents attached...

My thought exactly gatorfast. Again, no facts or documents to back anything up. Just tuners calling each out but who knows which one is telling the truth.

sales@ESSTuning · 09-10-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mkPOTO

I don't know if you want to go that path, from what it sounds like Mike asked Sal from Evolve for some help with your tune and sent him a file that was used by another company (unless I am reading it wrong)

I am not going to comment on what supercharger file the OP has in his car or where it came from as I really have no clue. That being clear I will confirm that the file being discussed in the other thread was in fact sent to us for confirmation. We have confirmed that the file that was sent to us is in fact an old VT2 supercharger file of ours. The only way to get this file would have been for someone to take it from an ESS customers vehicle. Where this file came from I do not know but it is clear that someone has gone out of their way to copy it for whatever reason.

We are looking into this very serious and unfortunate situation. If someone were to attempt to use an older supercharger file on a newer gen product that has gone thru hardware changes and updates or on a different kit than it was designed for it would never be correct and could possibly cause damage to the vehicle. This is just a general warning for customers who think swapping FI software around is like changing sox and if it fits it's fine. ECU calibrations on high compression motors running boost is very complex and should not be taken lightly.

bubu · 09-10-2013, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by happos2

Bubu, how do you know one party is telling the truth over the other? There were no facts with supporting documents attached...

My thought exactly gatorfast. Again, no facts or documents to back anything up. Just tuners calling each out but who knows which one is telling the truth.

I'm going on the fact that Mike had no clue a few years ago as illustrated by the questions he asked on public forums. A well known tuner came out and stated that they "hand held/trained him" to tune. You don't come out and make a claim like that without proof.

...it also does not help sway public opinion that he is an arrogant a-hole, as demonstrated in this very thread. He is a good salesman, and that's that.

King Tut · 09-10-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

We are looking into this very serious and unfortunate situation. If someone were to attempt to use an older supercharger file on a newer gen product that has gone thru hardware changes and updates or on a different kit than it was designed for it would never be correct and could possibly cause damage to the vehicle. This is just a general warning for customers who think swapping FI software around is like changing sox and if it fits it's fine. ECU calibrations on high compression motors running boost is very complex and should not be taken lightly.

I think my favorite part of this thread besides learning that ole Sticky is still around making trouble, is the tuners making it seem like tuning a BMW M3 with a supercharger is the most difficult thing in the world to do. My current car has a 12.5:1 compression motor with port and direct injection running over 12 psi of boost, and I would feel more than confident in tuning the car myself, and I have run tune files from 3 different tuners. Again, it isn't rocket science, and the more people tuning these cars and in various forced induction configurations, the better for the community.

bubu · 09-10-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

I think my favorite part of this thread besides learning that ole Sticky is still around making trouble, is the tuners making it seem like tuning a BMW M3 with a supercharger is the most difficult thing in the world to do. My current car has a 12.5:1 compression motor with port and direct injection running over 12 psi of boost, and I would feel more than confident in tuning the car myself, and I have run tune files from 3 different tuners. Again, it isn't rocket science, and the more people tuning these cars and in various forced induction configurations, the better for the community.

Very few would argue with you about more tuning options being a bad thing. It's good for the community...but this is just a case of a tuner passing someone else tune on as their own.

RingMeister01 · 09-10-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

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Originally Posted by mkPOTO

I don't know if you want to go that path, from what it sounds like Mike asked Sal from Evolve for some help with your tune and sent him a file that was used by another company (unless I am reading it wrong)

I am not going to comment on what supercharger file the OP has in his car or where it came from as I really have no clue. That being clear I will confirm that the file being discussed in the other thread was in fact sent to us for confirmation. We have confirmed that the file that was sent to us is in fact an old VT2 supercharger file of ours. The only way to get this file would have been for someone to take it from an ESS customers vehicle. Where this file came from I do not know but it is clear that someone has gone out of their way to copy it for whatever reason.

We are looking into this very serious and unfortunate situation. If someone were to attempt to use an older supercharger file on a newer gen product that has gone thru hardware changes and updates or on a different kit than it was designed for it would never be correct and could possibly cause damage to the vehicle. This is just a general warning for customers who think swapping FI software around is like changing sox and if it fits it's fine. ECU calibrations on high compression motors running boost is very complex and should not be taken lightly.

Unfortunate to hear these fraudulent tactics are being used by vendors people here so deeply trust and support. This new info will completely discredit and tarnish his/their reputation. And rightfully so.

Get em where it hurts Roman!

chris s · 09-10-2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

I think my favorite part of this thread besides learning that ole Sticky is still around making trouble, is the tuners making it seem like tuning a BMW M3 with a supercharger is the most difficult thing in the world to do. My current car has a 12.5:1 compression motor with port and direct injection running over 12 psi of boost, and I would feel more than confident in tuning the car myself, and I have run tune files from 3 different tuners. Again, it isn't rocket science, and the more people tuning these cars and in various forced induction configurations, the better for the community.

Prob not difficult when you're using other vendors tunes as a starting point.

happos2 · 09-10-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bubu

I'm going on the fact that Mike had no clue a few years ago as illustrated by the questions he asked on public forums. A well known tuner came out and stated that they "hand held/trained him" to tune. You don't come out and make a claim like that without proof.

...it also does not help sway public opinion that he is an arrogant a-hole, as demonstrated in this very thread. He is a good salesman, and that's that.

I guess I can't comment to much as I haven't been around that long to comment on how reputable the people are. Nor have I seen evidence of any allegation, nor will I unless someone goes to court I am assuming (that was a lot of 'nors' oops). After reading the other thread, I don't think I would purchase again from any of them (no matter how reputable). Maybe we will see some other top tuners work on the M when they are all force inducted from the factory...

pkimM3r · 09-10-2013, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by happos2

I guess I can't comment to much as I haven't been around that long to comment on how reputable the people are. Nor have I seen evidence of any allegation, nor will I unless someone goes to court I am assuming (that was a lot of 'nors' oops). After reading the other thread, I don't think I would purchase again from any of them (no matter how reputable). Maybe we will see some other top tuners work on the M when they are all force inducted from the factory...

Road Race Engineering.

bubu · 09-10-2013, 05:12 PM

*edited at request of vendor

nullrouted · 09-10-2013, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Read the other thread and not sure what to think. Kind of a he said she said game and it seems as if all the tuners generally work together/use each others tunes as baselines.

I read the other thread and decided I'm gonna become a tuner, since Sal was nice enough to outline all the tools involved, and how easy it is to do. Just hex editing a few bit maps? Cake.

Boostin FD · 09-10-2013, 05:51 PM

So sad... For a minute there I actually thought about purchasing BPM tune just to see what all the fuss is about... Now, reading the other forum... I might as well skip it and go with Evolve.

It was odd, though, to see every other day guys posting how good the BPM tune is and how it's the best thing since sliced bread... What will they say now when they're main tuner has been called out as a "copy cat, hacker and a bad one at that"?

I'm sure glad I didn't pay 1k for a tune that will probably not have any support or warranty after the reputation of the company goes down to zero.

pkimM3r · 09-10-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorfast

Read the other thread and not sure what to think. Kind of a he said she said game and it seems as if all the tuners generally work together/use each others tunes as baselines.

exactly what I think. on the other forum, moderator has denied ability for a comeback.. in this forum, this person doesn't even have a chance to respond if he wanted to. crazy drama!

must change my name now to Nomoremods, but its taken already.

1MOREMOD · 09-10-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pkim1079

exactly what I think. on the other forum, moderator has denied ability for a comeback.. in this forum, this person doesn't even have a chance to respond if he wanted to. crazy drama!

must change my name now to Nomoremods, but its taken already.

So once again I'm on the wrong side of a battle!

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jbraslins Latvian Gangstah 107 Rep 570 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 M3 Melbourne Red 6MT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Wake Forest, NC iTrader: (1)	The only thing I am getting out of this, is that everyone uses each other tunes (at least as baseline/for analysis) and they are all about the same. Would be a kicker if they are all based on GTS tune or something. Lol. No idea about SC, obviously that has to be different. __________________ 2009 E92 M3 Melbourne Red 6MT [SOLD] 2015 YMB BMW M3 M-DCT [SOLD] 2010 Alpine White E90 M3 M-DCT [SOLD] 2002 TiAg E46 M3 manual
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jbraslins Latvian Gangstah 107 Rep 570 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 M3 Melbourne Red 6MT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Wake Forest, NC iTrader: (1)	Hey, I admit I have no idea about this stuff I just think this shit makes you wonder about all vendors. Def not good for tuner reputation overall. I have a BPM tune and I posted before and after dynos. I dunno where the tune came from, but it definitely worked. __________________ 2009 E92 M3 Melbourne Red 6MT [SOLD] 2015 YMB BMW M3 M-DCT [SOLD] 2010 Alpine White E90 M3 M-DCT [SOLD] 2002 TiAg E46 M3 manual
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gatorfast Major General 5195 Rep 6,918 Posts Drives: 718 Cayman Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SoFla iTrader: (4)	Read the other thread and not sure what to think. Kind of a he said she said game and it seems as if all the tuners generally work together/use each others tunes as baselines.
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Boostin FD Bored all the time 420 Rep 2,188 Posts Drives: Batmobile Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Kirkwood iTrader: (2)	So sad... For a minute there I actually thought about purchasing BPM tune just to see what all the fuss is about... Now, reading the other forum... I might as well skip it and go with Evolve. It was odd, though, to see every other day guys posting how good the BPM tune is and how it's the best thing since sliced bread... What will they say now when they're main tuner has been called out as a "copy cat, hacker and a bad one at that"? I'm sure glad I didn't pay 1k for a tune that will probably not have any support or warranty after the reputation of the company goes down to zero. __________________ Current: 2014 991 Turbo RS Past: 15 GT3, 17 R8 SC, Two 16 M4 GTS’s, Two 18 GT350R's, Two 13 RS5’s, 13 M3, 10 R8, 15 M4, 09 M3, 04 M3, 09 S5, 02 M3... It all started with an RX-7 (FD).
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