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Take this as you will. I am merely providing this as something to read. So far, just some tidbits to nibble on.
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One thing to note as that most of the exclusive BMW magazines are operated by BMW enthusiests that probably have expectations that mirror our own here. I think there opinion is a little more valuable IMO.
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09-11-2007, 06:14 AM | #4 |
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I think its foolish to believe that any journalist is impartial.
Yes, someone that has driven everything from the GT3 to the family station wagon probably can make a good assesment of the M3. The problem is that the M3 is getting compared to everything and anything too, which is great for someone that has never been behind the wheel of a BMW but gives a vague frame of reference. When someone says the steering is numb, does that mean compared to a GT3, E30 M3, a station wagon? I like that the BMW Scene, Bimmer, etc etc journalists drive BMW's everyday and are comparing the new M to what they drive. Be it a modded E36 M3 or a E46 M3 cabrio. I am not sure which article, maybe BMW Scene, but the journalist actually drove his E39 M5 to the road test and commented on the differences. Whats valuable about this is that most of us, BMW fans, have been in and around BMW's before. A journalist that drives an E46 M to work everyday has a better opinion, I think, on how the new M3 stacks up. Better than even a journalist that does a quick 1 day comparo. Better than someone that has only spent a matter of hours behind the wheel of any BMW. For example, someone that has spent years behind the wheel of M cars, in my opinion, has a better handle on what the new M3 needs to be and should be than someone who hasnt. Of course this is just my opinion Jason
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Guys, I've had my car three days now and have put almost 700 miles on it. My review will be coming in the next 24 hours and I can assure you that it will be completely honest and unbiased. You can expect the truth, warts and all...
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Thanks GregW.
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[QUOTE=Epacy;1388184]Jackie Jouret wrote most of it...
she said it's great steering and feel... it's not active steering the ratio is tighter than the ZCP 12.5 vs 14.5! that's tightQUOTE] I dont believe this. I heard from a "very credible" source on this forum that the steering feel is NOT good.
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Thanks man! I think a couple of pages are backwards.
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Oops--I'll fix.
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Nice review
I especially liked all of the details on the DSC and the fact that sport setting really allows a significant amount of slide and wheelspin. Sounds like a perfect setting for daily use and track use. This is consistent with the comments by Richter that he prefers to do his low 8 minute ring laps with DSC on (I'm sure he means with this sport setting).
I was a bit confused with the other ring time math. They say 20 seconds better than the outgoing model = approximately 8:10. The time I know from SA is 8:22 meaning the car should be around 8:02. Just like the price hovering (in our estimates) just below or just above the $60k (USD) point it seems we will have the mystery of the 8:00 barrier for some time as well. Thanks Greg for the scans as well! |
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There's a mistake in there. The servotronic steering cannot be adjusted by a separate button on the console. It's only available if you get M Drive.
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We don't have a time from BMW nor a time from SportAuto - the only two really worth squat. And with all the BMW talk about differences rather than absolutes and rumors of BMW engineers quoting better times than the 911S I would say the time is clearly shrouded in mystery. |
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So, don't worry, the sky is not going to fall because I might have a little doubt that the almighty M3 is not as capable a track car/sports car that some here might think. Right or wrong, it's what I think. It's still a fantastic sports coupe. |
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Last but not least we also know that the European verison of the car when ordered with 19" wheels will come STOCK with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup+ tires (appropriate emphasis on the "+"). I am ready to go out on a limb here. Sportauto will achieve a sub 8 minute N-ring time with the M-DCT car with the aforementioned tires. I am not ready to go out that far on a limb in terms of the MT non Cup+ tired car. But if it doesn't it is going to be dangerously close. Is your opinion simply a hunch or can you better support your opinion with facts? P.S. I'd be happy to place a large wager on the point in bold, ready to put your money where your mouth is? |
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Personally, the 8:02 for the 997S is one of the quicker runs. 8:05 seems to be the most popular reference. A 997S w/x51 (381 hp) "only" did an 7:59. I am always a little skeptical when the times are one second beneath the hour. Frankly, I find it amusing that one lap is the standard. Even if the M runs a sub 8:00 min lap, that doesn't mean any "ring" advantage will hold up lap after lap on another course. The M simply is not as focused a sports car as the 911S; and it's not meant to be. But, that is not what this post was initially about. For the record, it's not that I don't believe that the M COULD run quicker than the 997S, it's that I don't think it will run a sub 8:00 lap. That is what I am responding to. As far as besting the 911, who knows. It will be close. But remember Porsche's hp bump may be all that's needed to keep it competitive in this type of test. Do you find it fulfilling to argue with anyone who has an opinion that isn't BMW gospel? At least your not quite as worked up as I thought you'd be, but you're still taking this a little too seriously. And, no I don't care to wager because there are too many variables that affect this kind of thing. Remember, I am very likely buying this car for my summer dd and maybe more fun car. So, I hope it does run fast. With that said, I am not as blindly brand loyal as some here. |
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