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The Vette will get to the intended gas mileage because it is light. The M3 never has a chance in hell to make the intended consumption/emission targets with a N/A engine.
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And lastly, all BMW had to to to re-establish dominance in that segment was to increase displacement a bit. It's my belief that if it had been still globally socially acceptable, they would have used a variation of the GTS engine in the next M3. BMW and M have repeatedly stated why they are moving away from N/A engines, and it sure as hell wasn't the disappointing power figures.
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I love the E92 M3. Nothing to complain about. The DCT is amazing and is the best looking BMW IMO.
I'm gonna keep it as long as possible... although my longest record with a car is 2 years. After this I would consider an M6GC or CLS63.
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This is the best forum
Even though the only BMW in my family is an X5 diesel I still like this forum the best: all they ever talk about on the AMG forum is what carbon fiber splitter to get or how to get 20inch wheels to fit... you can see what kind of crowd that is. The Cayman forum is all about how to get 4 more HP with different air intake or tune...
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I think what people have to understand about the M3, is that it's a complete different car than all the others. Many of the other 'high-powered' cars have lots of HP and lots of Torque, where as the m3 has lots of HP and mediocre amount of torque. (C63 for example)
That being said, there is very minimal amount of cars that let you rev to 8,400 (excluding exotic cars). Many people are to used to driving torque heavy cars, in which the engine barely has to do any work to get it's self going. The M3 is designed to rev, I don't see what the problem is to let car roll in 3rd or 4th gear at 50MPH (3500rpm). This car is not meant to be sitting at 2k revs and cruising.
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250wtq is inadequate for a 60k sports car that weighs 3700 lbs. It's not as much of an issue to have a low tq high strung motor in say a cayman s that weighs 3000 lbs
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That is exactly the problem. They should have kept the car E46 sized re: weight and girth-what a monster it would have been. The E92 M3 was turning point in cars where the improvement in ride comfort, smoothness and noise was not actually a good thing-as it moved the experience so far the from the original E30 M3 that it really should be called a Caddy.
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250 ft lbs of torque measured at the wheels..... This is a very common way to write that. I was at a dyno day with m3's including my own, all of which made between 230-260 ft lbs of torque to the wheels. Or wtq as I wrote in shorthand.. W - wheel Tq - torque Similar to whp W - wheel Hp - horsepower Can't believe I have to explain this. But hey, how dare I or anyone else say anything that isn't positive about the m3!
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They would be different for each gear. Also, torque is a pointless measure by itself, without revs. For example, if you put a 1/2 reductor on an M3 engine, it will work like a 595 lb/ft torque engine with 4200 RPM redline, but it's still the same engine! Back to the topic, I am leaving M3 only because now I can afford to replace it with 2 P-cars... Yes, it's far from perfect, and is not a one car to rule them all, but it's damn brilliant if it takes 2 more expensive cars to fully replace it. And I either ridden in or test drove almost all alternatives under $200K. |
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If you get an R8 please get the V10... no point in getting the V8 but giggs either way im looking forward to the next project.
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Wtq is a common way to write torque....again, pls tell me that you are kidding. I've never seen that term in all my years of engineering, racing, or even forum discussions. You might want to google "wtq" and see what comes up. Listen, I'm cool w your attempt to mock me but you should at least do some homework first....like 8 grade homework. |
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On a dyno, an m3 typically measures 250 ft lbs at the wheels in 4th or 5th gear. Compared to similar cars in the segment, the measured tq on the m3 is the lowest. Again, not sure why this is complicated. There are thousands of threads in this forum with similar dyno results and terms. Anyway, done arguing semantics. M3 is a good car, but it does have a low amount of torque. Additionally, I'm sure you realize that the first sarcastic personal attack was made by you in your first response to me.
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