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02-11-2012, 12:08 AM | #23 |
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If you're referring to the difference between a Ferrari F458 vs an F355, you're a long way off the mark.
Most high end racing dampers do the same thing the same way and the differences are subtle at best. While CS is not a "racing damper" per se, like Bilstein, they use the same technology in the street products and the racing products. The differences are in the externals like spring perches and camber plates. The dampers and struts don't vary much between the "competition" and "street/track" products. |
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02-11-2012, 01:37 AM | #24 | |
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Let me revise: This TTX Kit vs. KW CS = 458 vs. Civic Si Better? |
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02-11-2012, 11:40 AM | #25 |
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TTX vs KW CS...There is no comparison. CS 2-way is really like a Civic and the TTX 3-way is the Ferrari, not really in the same league.
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02-11-2012, 12:33 PM | #26 |
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I agree that they're widely different in terms of price, but I just don't buy the notion that there are significant differences in performance. In the end it all comes down to the shape and stability of the damper curve, and all high end dampers can be set up to produce pretty much any curve you'd like.
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02-11-2012, 02:51 PM | #27 |
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Hahaha if I were paying $10,000+ for a set of coil overs, they better be like a Ferrari compared to other systems which cost half as much
On a more serious note, I do agree with JAJ that on a street M3, the benefits of TTX dampers are greatly diminished because the rest of the suspension have a significant amount of play in them (bushings, ball joints, etc.) Now, on a purpose-built race car it will be a different story. But in all cases, the right set up (springs, damping curve, alignment, ride height) is just as critical as having good dampers. Cheers, Richard |
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02-12-2012, 07:11 AM | #28 |
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to be honest I just got it because i was curious not other reason
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02-12-2012, 08:44 PM | #29 |
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^You got a hell of a deal and if I had the points to spare on my NASA TTA car, I would have picked up the same set (piggyback shocks are 4 more points). Let us know how you like it
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02-12-2012, 08:52 PM | #30 |
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02-12-2012, 08:53 PM | #31 | |
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And we are comparing dampers to dampers and not surrounding accessories. |
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thanks!
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02-13-2012, 03:07 PM | #36 |
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TTX design/technology allows for a very fine and effective/responsive damper adjustment which in turn increases mechanical grip levels in areas KW cannot even compare.
Go download Ohlins TTX shock dyno's and compare them with KW CS, hell compare them with KW Competition if you wanted. Ohlins is in a different league. The only one with an adjustment similar to Ohlins TTX is the latest JRZ 12-31 and 12-41 damper which allows you to adjust compression/rebound completely independent from each other, meaning when you adjust the rebound it will not affect compression. Ohlins/JRZ are the only 2 companies that currently offer that type of adjustment for GT/Production cars. |
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I'd say just about the same with some weight loss of course
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wasn't too bad! your right
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Very very very nice.
It would be nice to hear your before and after comparison once you get them installed. I am sure many others would be interested too.
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but I have met JJ lin and Jackie Chan's son before
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I think you might have a good point as i have always wondered what the difference between a $300 Single-Tube 2-way Koni is versus a $600 JRZ Single-Tube 2-way. I understand the 2, 3, 4-way difference ... but not the price difference between the same features on different damper manufacturers. Having a 7-post dyno in the US is a big + for KW in terms of setting up race cars. And they definitely make a great product. In this case however, i choose the Pepsi blind taste test, as Ohlins are used in some of the fastest handling cars in the world pushing 5g lateral = F1 So if it came to a choice between a $3500 2-way KW CS and a $12,000 Ohlins 3-way ... i would def go with the Ohlins due to the reputation and proven track wins and $3,000 per damper price tag I think your point is well thought out and it's beginning to be proven true on the amateur racing circuit, where AST is making great dampers with some minor quality issues perform as good as the more expensive JRZ and Motons. Last edited by mastek; 02-15-2012 at 06:02 AM.. |
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