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its a surgeon's tool when it comes to turns etc.. and forget the technology of the engine (computations etc) its out of this world. In terms of nasty bad-ass torque it may not be the best but did any other M3 before that broke any new round? |
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in terms of handling on the e9x, with this kind money? of course it breaks ground...no? can you come up with another example with this handling and price? and don't say mustang You need to pay at least twice the M3 price to get on a similar handling situation.... |
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you all know Will Smith drives one right? Oh Snap.
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10-05-2011, 01:04 AM | #29 | |
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The E30 won almost every touring car champisonship betwee 87 and 91. Unfortunately, those types of champiosnhips hardly exist today, and the ones that exist have penalties they apply to normalize the racing that are atrocious and ridiciluous (even the FIA GT3 rules stink, although they do have an 4.4L S65 Z4 competiting in it). So the E9X doesn't have a venue to show off its racing ability, and without that, it cannot be legendary. |
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10-05-2011, 01:24 AM | #31 |
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Since I started the thread though I'd give my 2 cents. In the defining a legendary car they are many aspects to look at. Track, road, and others. The e9x in my opinion becomes a legend different from the original Audi quattro, e30 m3. The e9x set a benchmark that few other cars have done. Instead of being number one in one category it was 2nd or third in all categories. It wasn't the fastest but it always 2nd or third. The exhaust wasn't the best but always 2nd or third. It was wasn't the best handling but it was always 2nd or third. I could go on obviously but you get the idea. Thinking from that perspective I think it would qualify the e9x m3 as a legendary car. Also IMHO I think it is one of the few cars that Is at home on your local roads as much as it is home on the track. Personally I think that when the e9x m3 is set and done 10 years from now it will still be remembered as one of the greatest cars ever made in it's class. Also if BMW truly changes the BMW m3 coupe to the m4 then the e92 m3 will be the last m3 coupe ever developed and also the first and last m3 coupe to have a naturally aspirated v8.
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I'm not sure how to answer your question. But I believe it is legendary.
Status does not always equal specs. As a matter of fact, I can't imagine what kind of enthusiast would buy a boring car with great specs and figures over a lesser performer which thrills the shit out of you. 8400 RPM V8 - how many cars actually have this? (consider price) Precession Handling / Thrill of driving - How many cars come close? Great 6MT/Holy Fuck That's a Fast shift DCT paired so perfectly to the high-revving V8 - how many cars have this? With that said, there are some very expensive, very high end vehicles that will demolish almost anything you throw at it. Then there's cars that will demolish those cars. Are all these legends? No. Not at all. Does the M3 need to be the fastest car for your money to be considered a legend? No. Does the fact that it is hands down, more fun and thrilling to drive than some of it's identical or better performing rivals make it a legend? I don't know. I do know that the BMW M3 is a legend. Regarded highly and respected by enthusiasts of all measures. The E9X M3 does nothing to taint or question the legendary M3 marque. If anything it reinforces the fact that the M3 can grow from a i4-i6-V8, and satisfy, amuse, thrill, and beat it's current competition in most comparisons.
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surely you mean Camaro IROCZ
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The engine is the most unique part of the car. I think how "legendary" the model is will highly depend on the next two M3s...
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10-05-2011, 10:21 AM | #35 |
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Legendary cars generally have a strong racing heritage. In the US the E92 M3 has won the last two manufacturing championships in the ALMS. It has done quite well in several lesser series as well. I think when some time passes the car will be looked back on with a great deal of respect.
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All ALMS race cars start with a car off of the production line. The car is then heavily modified, but you can't take a turd and turn it into a great car. The M3 had a great starting point and has proved itself over the last few years. The M3 is also highly successful in other series with far few modifications such as the Continental Sports Car Challenge where the Turner Motorsports M3 is leading the championship and the Rum Bum M3 is 3rd. This car is good. |
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This seems like it's been beaten to death already but I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring anyways.
Engine - epic, but not legendary. Car - Awesome, but I think the E46 M3 has more potential to be a classic. At least in my opinion that car changed everything for me, and cemented my BMW fanhood. |
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I meant tbe Z28. The original Z28 with the solid lifter 302 engine.
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Isn't the S65 "bringing something new to the table"? You can't, on one hand, say the E9X M3 isn't legendary and then make a blanket statement like "the 911 is legendary". You have to be specific with the 911 version if you are being specific with the M. A 996 versioned 911 is hardly legendary. In my opionon I think "in general" the M3 is legendary...as is a 911. Last edited by alms211; 10-05-2011 at 07:21 PM.. |
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How to chop 2 cylinders off a V10 to make a V8? surely if we're talking about bringing something new, it would be the S85
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On a side note
Steve Jobs was a legend
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