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View Poll Results: Does your M3 see track time? | |||
No way | 29 | 10.74% | |
Not yet, but maybe in the future | 94 | 34.81% | |
1-2 days per year | 32 | 11.85% | |
3-5 days per year | 48 | 17.78% | |
6-12 days per year | 41 | 15.19% | |
Greater than 12 days a year | 26 | 9.63% | |
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11-14-2012, 10:33 AM | #89 | |
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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11-14-2012, 07:01 PM | #90 |
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I discovered a passion many years ago in driving cars on a race track and continuously improving my skills at extracting the most performance out of a car (still plenty of opportunity left ). I will definitely try to encourage others in discovering and sharing this passion of mine. It is the main reason I accepted becoming an instructor. But if it is not for them, I fully respect that .
The beauty of the M3 lies in the fact that it excels at many different things. So different people buy the M3 for different reasons. I say to each their own . |
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11-14-2012, 07:25 PM | #91 |
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quit being so open minded. we have no room for that here.
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11-14-2012, 09:41 PM | #93 |
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oh sorry went of my meds again.
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11-15-2012, 08:39 AM | #94 |
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Next thing you know people will be trying to decide on their own that it's ok to track their car in MDM mode or even worse, with DSC enabled.
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11-15-2012, 09:48 AM | #95 |
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I am non-partisan when it comes to nannies...it's the BMWCCA required mentality for instructors.
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11-15-2012, 01:15 PM | #96 |
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BMWCCA will look over your shoulder a lot...
SCCA and other like trackdaze will show you the ropes and then off you go. BMWCCA seems very safe and reliable, almost to damn safe at times... no breathing room..
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11-15-2012, 01:43 PM | #97 |
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Sounds exciting but I don't feel like i have the skills right now and Would be afraid of crashing my car.
Only way I would do it would be to learn with formal instructor first and then insure myself if I drive my own car. How much would that cost in addition to my current insurance? Another problem is that I live in the boonies and would have to drive about 500 miles to the closest track where I could do this, so very time consuming as well in addition to job and parent responsibilities. |
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You'll definitely have an instructor first, for your benefit and that of everyone around you. Track day/weekend events always have an instructor riding shotgun with you 100% of the time giving you immediate feedback on your driving until you get solo-qualified; if you ever see "open track day", those typically REQUIRE you to have become solo-qualified because those usually don't have instructors available, so that's not what you want starting out. Having an instructor with you definitely helps you relax and you learn a lot very quickly. The cost of insurance varies based on carrier and the stated-value coverage amount you want for your car, but if you search Lockton HPDE insurance you can get an instant quote on their site. Being afraid of crashing is precisely what will likely prevent you from crashing. The people who go out thinking they're world-class racing drivers on their first time out (or who turn DSC off because "that's what you're supposed to do on the track" without adjusting their driving style accordingly) are the people who tend to have trouble. Like I said earlier, excited trepidation is the perfect mindset for coming to the track your first time. 500 miles is definitely a long way to go even for a full-weekend event. It's pretty sweet though!
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11-15-2012, 02:44 PM | #99 |
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Some people are into top speed mile runs, some into drag racing, some find fun on road courses, and most just enjoy a causal weekend drive. People have different interests and road course is not for everyone. I have tracked my cars for years but this hobby does take a lot time, energy and money. There is no need to insult others that don't take part in this sport.
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11-15-2012, 03:29 PM | #100 |
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As a BMWCCA and PCA instructor, I certainly encourage those who think they might like to try driving on a track to do so. It is a ton of fun and will definitely teach you about your car and make you a better driver. That said, I certainly would not berate anyone who chooses not to track their M3 - to each their own (even though you are kind of missing out )
The biggest counterpoint to tracking IMO is that many insurance companies will not cover an accident on a race track, even if it is an educational event and not a competitive driving event. Of course this varies, but I think it makes sense to be aware of this. Accidents do happen occasionally on both track and street and on the street you are guaranteed insurance will cover it. Likelihood of damage also varies widely depending on track design. Someone mentioned Watkins Glen and that is a very unforgiving track with Armco everywhere. In contrast, Mid Ohio (my home track now) has very good run off areas and only a few places to smack into hard objects. On a related note, if anyone in the greater Ohio area is on the fence and would like to check it out, let me know, I'd be glad to take you out on track (in my car) next season to give you a taste. |
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11-15-2012, 03:50 PM | #101 | |
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Buying an M3 and not tracking is same thing as buying a super-duper gaming computer and using it only for web browsing. |
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11-15-2012, 04:17 PM | #102 | |
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i'll be there following weekend. gp track open.
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11-15-2012, 04:21 PM | #103 |
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no breathing room is paramount my friend. at 10/10ths there is no breathing room.
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11-15-2012, 10:41 PM | #104 |
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At the very minimum, Once every other month, thats why I have an ///M3, or else why not just get a 328. And I have to travel at least 200+ miles to get to a track... Yes, I'm a trooper!
Located in Las Vegas, traveling to... Chuckwalla Raceway: 227mi Google says 4 hrs, made it in 2.5 averaging 90mph at 3 in the morning Willow Springs: 241mi Google says 4 hrs, made it in 3.25 hrs Buttonwillow: 317mi Google says 5 hrs, made it in around 4 ish I love my Escort Smart Radar.
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11-15-2012, 10:47 PM | #105 |
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so So SO TRUE !!!
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It surprises me that no one (other than myself) has mentioned how valuable reading some books on driving fast can help both before and after one's first track experience. I have at least 10 books on the art and science of driving fast. From Piero Taruffi's The Technique of Motor Racing (1959) to Ross Bentley's Inner Speed Secrets series. All books had good things that helped me have more confidence on the track. Also I've many lapping days under my belts in a go-kart. There is no question that time in the kart also helped with my confidence. My main point is that there are all sorts of things that one can do to make their track days more enjoyable and safe.
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11-16-2012, 02:36 PM | #107 |
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Brought my e92 M3 out to the track in 2009 after the break in period. Realized very quickly that it was way too much power for a novice so I bought an e36 M3 purely for the track. Since 2009 I go to the track 6x a year. I'm now in the advanced group and still loving the e36 M3. I now have an 2012 e92 M3 that i will eventually track.
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11-16-2012, 05:19 PM | #108 |
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Lockton has been running about $50-$100 per $10k of stated values for single event coverage, with a deductible of $2k to 5% of stated value, whichever is greater. Once nice thing though is it's per event, not per day, so if can find 3+ day events (i.e. BMWCCA ofest), it can be a pretty good deal (conversely, insuring a single day is costly). I think Lockton also gives slight discounts for BMWCCA events, probably because BMWCCA pushes their insurance pretty hard.
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11-16-2012, 05:37 PM | #109 | |
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Even discounting serious impact incidents, there are tons of things that can happen that make a drive home difficult if not impossible, assuming you are not trailering. The M3 is probably one of the best street to track vehicles, but for those that also DD it, it still seems far inferior to having a dedicated track vehicle. I know of course that not everyone can swing that option, for that remainder, please buy insurance.
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