STALKER wroteWould you expect the same if you are paying $3,000?If Im paying $5000+ for a set of wheels, I want the best manufacturing process used, the best finish, best materials, and I want them to exceed or meet all standard.
I have had 2 sets of HRE wheels in the past, so I do have experience with the brand.
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AluFelgen wroteIf you have a point just spit it out...Would you expect the same if you are paying $3,000?
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Jaypod wroteJust curious about the definition of "quality" from a few members. Sorry for the thread jack. Back to topic.If you have a point just spit it out...
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AluFelgen wroteYou get what you pay for.Would you expect the same if you are paying $3,000?
You pay a premium for a BMW, and you pay less for a VW. Do you have the same standards for both cars?
Now back to the topic.
STALKER wroteIs a consumer's market. Price is not a determinant factor on quality.You get what you pay for.
You pay a premium for a BMW, and you pay less for a VW. Do you have the same standards for both cars?
Now back to the topic.
AluFelgen wroteAs a consumer, it does for me.Is a consumer's market. Price is not a determinant factor on quality.
Green///Hell wroteJulius Typo maybe 80 or 180 MPH impact but not 800 lol
Nate@IND wroteSteve is indeed. I just made him hell of a lot faster!Steve was a fast dude
Typo here (have had quite a few of these lately; refering to "atlantic" on my Japan tuner thread)
paintpro21 wroteThat is very well put.
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Aluminum wheels can take some abuse, but they get weaker and weaker over time from being stressed and loaded. It's just the nature of aluminum.
On the street it's a different story if we're talking about true TUV, VIA, and JWL standards. Just because a wheel is forged, does not mean it's strong. That word does not instantly equate to an acceptable amount of strength. Only if it's a true apples to apples comparison. Yes a forged wheel of the exact same design, dimensions, load rating, spoke thickness, and so on, is stronger then other manufacturing technologies. Change a variable and you can throw all of this off. Load rating is one of those factors.
If the original information is correct then the wheels were optimized for LESS strength then is the industry standard to save weight. If it's load rated for less, then it's not going to take more abuse then even a cast wheel that is at the standard. The cast wheel just needs a lot more metal to get the same job done, which makes it heavier. A light forged wheel does not equate to more overall strength then a heavy cast wheel. It's as simple as that.
Even BBS's motorsport's 3 piece wheels are not recommended for street use. The outer barrels have a thinner wall then their street wheels (like an LM), and will bend very easily on the street in comparison. This is done on purpose to save weight. They weren't trying to save money for the user, they were trying to make the fastest wheels, and is a good example of a 3 piece wheel that would routinely be rebuilt with new outer barrels throughout it's life, unlike 3 piece "bling" wheels.
Hopefully these will be disclosed as track only wheels if that load rating is maintained, or that they don't stamp them JWL / TUV.
WSTO is a great vendor, and they just copy pasted info here, so this is an HRE question/issue.
I am not an expert on TUV or JWL/VIA.
But, I know that the sad part is that in the US, none of those matter.
It is essentially up to the manufaturer and the consumer to be smart about it.
I know that most consumer don't know anything about this.
As a vendor, this great disturbs me. So, the best route that WSTO will take is on working with Companies, such as BBS, HRE, RAYS, Yokohama, Neez, Champion and many more (please don't feel bad if we left you out) that will fully support the intergrity of their products and carry a long history of good reputation.
On a personal note, I have seen many companies, advertise JWL/VIA when they are not even members of JAWA and have no affiliations at all.
Again, I am not an expert, but i do know that they serial number and association number are on all the JWL/VIA certified wheels and even those are counterfeited, these days...
I guess, what I am saying is that with the hundreds of wheel companies popping up in the US, building wheels with no engineering (besides the CAD drawings.. needed to CNC the wheels ), I will stand behind HRE and the engineering and quality wheels that they have built over time.
Of course, I do hope that someday there will be a standardized certification for wheels that will make sense both for safety and the economics of the aftermarket industry.
p.s. let's stay on topic
1. Performance wise, wheels are designed with two main criteria, strength (not bending going over a pot hole) and resistance to fatigue (cracking, deforming after being used for an extended period of time).
2. Properly designed cast wheels can be just as strong and durable as a forged wheel, although the cast will likely be heavier.
3. To be JWL certified, one must go through VIA performance testing and be registered. Only then is a wheel manufacturer legally (in Japan anyway) allowed to use the JWL/VIA seal on their wheels.
There are a lot of manufacturers who cleverly say that their wheels are designed to/exceeds JWL/VIA standards, this is just a deceptive way to say that their wheels are actually not VIA tested.
4. More info here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353224
2. Properly designed cast wheels can be just as strong and durable as a forged wheel, although the cast will likely be heavier.
3. To be JWL certified, one must go through VIA performance testing and be registered. Only then is a wheel manufacturer legally (in Japan anyway) allowed to use the JWL/VIA seal on their wheels.
There are a lot of manufacturers who cleverly say that their wheels are designed to/exceeds JWL/VIA standards, this is just a deceptive way to say that their wheels are actually not VIA tested.
4. More info here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353224
Julius, please keep me posted on the development of these. Especially if they clear the 380 BBK. PM me the details 
biglare wroteIf they use the same forgings as the GranAm wheels, they will work with the 380mm brakes.Julius, please keep me posted on the development of these. Especially if they clear the 380 BBK. PM me the details
But, I will only be able to confirm on them once the product is fully released.
I believe they are starting full production, this week.
Julius@WSTO wroteJulius, thank you for the update. Please continue to keep me posted!If they use the same forgings as the GranAm wheels, they will work with the 380mm brakes.
But, I will only be able to confirm on them once the product is fully released.
I believe they are starting full production, this week.
You going to M-Fest?
badfish wrotetrue. I thought I was the only one to see that.I wonder how that imperfect circular shape with 26 flat sides will affect the ride quality and performance... Will it be able to hold air?
still no price?
Sammy Yung wrotetrue. I thought I was the only one to see that.
those are just CAD drawings that have not been thoroughly rendered.the wheels will be perfectly round.
fatpanda wrotePrice is already out from HRE at $5200/set (suggested retail)still no price?
