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Redd wrote
ExoticM3 wrote
After having my M3 for 4 months now I feel lack of power unless I am going 100MPH+. I know that these cars and specifically the engine are meant to be revved in the very high of the rpm range but even then it still feels "eh" I made the move to stage 2 and E85 yet still feel lack of power which is most likely the torque. I know FI is the way to go but it just sucks that it is excessively expensive to get more power, I understand it is N/A and that is the root of cost expense for more power.

Just wanna know if anyone else feels the same and let me know if I'm driving the car the wrong way it's meant to be driving. I daily drive this vehicle and often go 130mph only because that's where the car feels alive.
What previous car are you comparing it to? If it's a turbo, you're never gonna get that boost kick with an NA engine. I came from a tuned 2L turbo and I was massively disappointed with the low end torque of the S65. Did Stage 2 etc and still missed the turbo torque.

A year after I got the M3 I got the chance to drive my old turbo car again (sold it to a friend) and you know what, I was disappointed with how the turbo ran out of breath after 5.5k whereas the S65 was just starting to come alive at that rpm. Got back in my M3 and never looked back after that.

The high revving nature of the S65 takes some getting used. Shifting at 7k you're definitely leaving something on the table. Not so much in the last 1+k rpms having huge power, but you're going up the next gear and dropping out of the power band. You also need to kickdown to the lowest possible gear for hard acceleration, and not just press the loud pedal and let the turbo do the work (cos it doesn't have one). I recently added a 3.45 FD and the car is frantic in any rpm in 1st and 2nd gear. I really don't miss my turbo anymore.
I feel this 1000% when I switch between my GTI daily and M3. When I'm in the GTI, I miss the top end of the M3. When I'm in the M3, I miss the low end boost of the turbo. First world problems I suppose.

I do agree that getting the most enjoyment from the s65 requires most drivers to adjust their approach behind the wheel. It's a platform that rewards hard work, not laziness, which is one of the reasons I love it. It forces you to work for the power, which makes it all the more engaging.
Eja144 wrote
It forces you to work for the power, which makes it all the more engaging.
It's how the engines were designed. Most 2L turbos with stock turbos are street cars designed to operate between 2-4k rpms. They have great low end torque, you can step on the accelerator in any gear and as long as you're at boost rpm the car will pull. The downside is that the turbo runs out of breath past 5.5k.

The S65 was designed to be a race engine which means it operates best at racing rpms - from 6k to redline. This is why there is a flat torque curve all the way to redline, you can use every rpm up top, and maybe even a few more. Downside is that at lower rpms the S65 feels gutless. If you're cruising in 6th and need to pass and you just step on the accelerator... nothing happens. You really need to grab the lowest possible gear, get into the high rpms, and she will pull. Unfortunately many people are not used to driving that way. They feel that they are unnecessarily stressing the engine. Don't worry about it. The S65 is solid and loves the upper range of rpms.
Redd wrote
Eja144 wrote
It forces you to work for the power, which makes it all the more engaging.
It's how the engines were designed. Most 2L turbos with stock turbos are street cars designed to operate between 2-4k rpms. They have great low end torque, you can step on the accelerator in any gear and as long as you're at boost rpm the car will pull. The downside is that the turbo runs out of breath past 5.5k.

The S65 was designed to be a race engine which means it operates best at racing rpms - from 6k to redline. This is why there is a flat torque curve all the way to redline, you can use every rpm up top, and maybe even a few more. Downside is that at lower rpms the S65 feels gutless. If you're cruising in 6th and need to pass and you just step on the accelerator... nothing happens. You really need to grab the lowest possible gear, get into the high rpms, and she will pull. Unfortunately many people are not used to driving that way. They feel that they are unnecessarily stressing the engine. Don't worry about it. The S65 is solid and loves the upper range of rpms.
I feel that exact way when I have to downshift and pass someone almost feeling like I'm abusing the engine. I guess it's just my first expensive car that I bought and love a lot. Thanks for the response 🙌
ExoticM3 wrote
I feel that exact way when I have to downshift and pass someone almost feeling like I'm abusing the engine. I guess it's just my first expensive car that I bought and love a lot. Thanks for the response 🙌
Here's something to note for those who are afraid to rev the engine out. If you constantly drive at low rpms, the S65 will not see best fuel efficiency, it will not make peak power, and the oil will not get hot enough to burn off the water in the oil, which leads to increased oil acidity and long-term engine component wear.

The S65 is designed to run hotter than street engines. It makes peak power when it's hot and can withstand much higher max operating temps. The trackrats in here regularly run it til overtemp warnings come out and it's fine. Just rest the car when the warnings come out. This is not your regular Toyota 4-pot.
Every once in a while I drive my car on weekends, car feels fast. When you daily a car, you'll lose how special it feels imho.
I have to chime in on those that say it feels slow, I have a manual Vert, easily the slowest of the E9X platforms, and coming from a ~790BHP M6, I can tell you it's not. I've had it over 170 MPH (dash indicated) on the Autobahn several times and it will surprise the hell out of you on the top end. It will really surprise those trying to keep up with you (looking at you Skoda and diesel Audi wagons lol). I believe someone on here once mentioned that it feels like a Sportbike. That is by far the best way to describe the powerband. Drive it like a sportbike, and you'll appreciate the car even more!
This is one of my favorite all time threads. For various reasons I haven't driven the car in weeks and this gets me fired up all over again to take it on the road, early before any traffic hits and exercise it a bit. It's the most fun I have ever had behind the wheel.
timothy2001 wrote
This is one of my favorite all time threads. For various reasons I haven't driven the car in weeks and this gets me fired up all over again to take it on the road, early before any traffic hits and exercise it a bit. It's the most fun I have ever had behind the wheel.
Nothing like a warm morning start to driving down to cars and coffee windows down.
Can't wait for Spring
parkjake50 wrote
Every once in a while I drive my car on weekends, car feels fast. When you daily a car, you'll lose how special it feels imho.
IMO, a daily car can feel special. The trick is to go more toward a heavy luxury focus instead of outright sportiness.

Dailied my first E92 for 2 years through city traffic. That honestly became a bit frustrating. It's a car that really wants space to run, so you never really get to enjoy it. If you had a back road commute, it would be less of an issue.

I picked up an E61 535xi that replaced it in the commute for 1.5 years. The automatic and turbo torque helped, but frankly it just felt like a less special version of the E92.

I'm now on 2 years with a Cayenne Turbo and this piggy is different. Light, airy interior covered in nice materials, great sound system, torquey V8 with old school turbo punch. Just a nice place to be while dealing with a commute, but still really fun to hustle when you get the space. Still miss the E92 for a back road run, though. Spring can't come soon enough.