JABCAT wroteAhhh. Brings back memories. Saw Parliament and Cypress Hill down there many moons ago and we did a small shroomie dose. Total flipping blast.Been down to Fair Park a lot in my shiny BMWs. In fact going to a concert down there in a couple weeks. We always grab a bite before hand. I've even parked my BMW on the street down there. No issues.
Funny looking at these Flock camera maps online, there are more in my neighborhood than in Fair Park. I guess my neighbood is more dangerous/more crime
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afadeev wroteExcept for the part "to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects". Again, the purpose of the Constitution and the 4th Amendment is to prevent abuse of a person's right to not be searched without a proper warrant being issued by a judge. The methodologies involved is immaterial. You carry a phone which location can be tracked. Tracked by the privately-owned system (i.e. the service provider) is not a concern of the 4th Amendment because the service provider is a private entity. When the Government gets involved with the tracking of your cell phone is where the 4th Amendment comes into play and a warrant issued by a judge is required.No offense, but you either don't know, or don't understand the Constitution and its Amendments, even though you proclaim to support them.
Public spaces are not constrained by the 4th Amendment, in any way shape or form.
Information you freely expose in public spaces and roads, like your license plate and stickers on your car, are treated as voluntarily shared, meaning no reasonable expectation of privacy are attached. Thus you don't need a warrant to "observe" and "report" on it any more than an individual would need a warrant to take personal pictures of people and objects in public spaces (we obviusly don't).
I am not a lawyer, nor do I advocate for "Constitution V2.0".
Just stating the obvious - no-one foresaw surveillance potential from ALPRs in the 18th century when US Constitution was drafted. What used to be "in public space" implied and provided anonymity as recently as a generation ago. Today, those anonymous public spaces have all but been erased through ubiquitous and inexpensive video, audio, drone, and RF surveillance. Add to that the fact that nearly every individual voluntarily carries RF ID beacons (cell phones) on them at all times, and brings them into their beds, and any technically capable organization that cares to do so can track who goes where, and sleeps with whom, in what bed, 24/7.
Thus, many technologically enabled surveillance methods have FAR outgrown protections imagined when 4th Amendment was drafted.
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It's no different than 75 years ago when people used the national public telephone system owned by Ma Bell (AT&T), the Government needed (still needs) a warrant issued by a judge to listen to the conversation between the two people at each end of the electronic equipment suite (i.e. their telephones).
Non-issue, for me at least. I don't put license plates on any of my cars because I think they're ugly.
Metal manufacturer plaques look way nicer.
Metal manufacturer plaques look way nicer.
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We are headed in a very dangerous direction here. Looks like the issue with the Flock camera is getting attention with many jurisdictions dropping the contract but this Big Brother thing is going to keep coming.
US police now armed with Israeli spy vans simulating mobile phone towers
When the Texas Department of Public Safety purchased 4 brand-new Chevrolet Tahoes for $4.5 million this March, it looked like a routine fleet upgrade. In fact, the cars are equipped with controversial surveillance hardware that can monitor the location of every cell phone in the surrounding area. Privacy activists are alarmed.
The tech, made by Cognyte, an Israeli surveillance company, is called FalcoNet and has so far been mostly sold in Israel and Europe. Now, it’s making inroads in the United States.
The gadget simulates a cell tower and forces nearby phones to connect to it. Essentially, the phones have no choice, as they’re programmed to connect to the strongest signal automatically, without the owner’s knowledge.
In other words, the cops, driving in their SUVs, are able to track any phones in the vicinity – whether they belong to a suspect or, crucially, to an innocent law-abiding citizen.
US police now armed with Israeli spy vans simulating mobile phone towers
When the Texas Department of Public Safety purchased 4 brand-new Chevrolet Tahoes for $4.5 million this March, it looked like a routine fleet upgrade. In fact, the cars are equipped with controversial surveillance hardware that can monitor the location of every cell phone in the surrounding area. Privacy activists are alarmed.
The tech, made by Cognyte, an Israeli surveillance company, is called FalcoNet and has so far been mostly sold in Israel and Europe. Now, it’s making inroads in the United States.
The gadget simulates a cell tower and forces nearby phones to connect to it. Essentially, the phones have no choice, as they’re programmed to connect to the strongest signal automatically, without the owner’s knowledge.
In other words, the cops, driving in their SUVs, are able to track any phones in the vicinity – whether they belong to a suspect or, crucially, to an innocent law-abiding citizen.
During the Semafor event, the moderator asked Langley whether Flock Safety had considered partnering with the federal government. “No,” Langley replied. “Because I think for us there’s 18,000 cities to go after. We got plenty of work to do.” If Flock's strategy is to pursue 18,000 cities, municipal meeting recordings suggest direct engagement with local elected officials is part of that effort.
It all sounds to harmless.
Car-Addicted wroteDuring the Semafor event, the moderator asked Langley whether Flock Safety had considered partnering with the federal government. “No,” Langley replied. “Because I think for us there’s 18,000 cities to go after. We got plenty of work to do.” If Flock's strategy is to pursue 18,000 cities, municipal meeting recordings suggest direct engagement with local elected officials is part of that effort.
It all sounds to harmless.
don't want to make this a political thread, but most of us know what is happening to this country right now, and it is not good.....
George Orwell was just about 40 years off
George Orwell was just about 40 years off
Remember the Orwellian Disinformation Governance Board?
In charge of truth...
Lasted about 3 weeks because a cra-cra idea.
In charge of truth...
Lasted about 3 weeks because a cra-cra idea.
Socal_R8 wroteWell, it is much, much worse in other countries. I think you guys are lucky. You could easily have been going down the same path. Literally dodged a bullet there.don't want to make this a political thread, but most of us know what is happening to this country right now, and it is not good.....
George Orwell was just about 40 years off
^
Thank you. Unfortunately, many refuse to accept this fact.
Because TEAM!
Are things perfect? No. Nothing is.
Watched many a video of FIFA visitors absolutely falling in live with the US. We have SO much to be thankful for.
Thank you. Unfortunately, many refuse to accept this fact.
Because TEAM!
Are things perfect? No. Nothing is.
Watched many a video of FIFA visitors absolutely falling in live with the US. We have SO much to be thankful for.
gonzo wroteTrue. But don't get complacent. They want your money and they want control of your liberties. Think this will be enough? Nothing is ever enough for the rich and powerful...^
Thank you. Unfortunately, many refuse to accept this fact.
Because TEAM!
Are things perfect? No. Nothing is.
Watched many a video of FIFA visitors absolutely falling in live with the US. We have SO much to be thankful for.
Using our data and habits to sell and profit while being paid to do this by our tax money is a massive erosion of trust and a malignant exploitation via invasion of privacy that needs to be stopped before it becomes something MORE.
ShocknAwe wroteOrwell’s most famous warning about objective reality from 1984 reads:True. But don't get complacent. They want your money and they want control of your liberties. Think this will be enough? Nothing is ever enough for the rich and powerful...
Using our data and habits to sell and profit while being paid to do this by our tax money is a massive erosion of trust and a malignant exploitation via invasion of privacy that needs to be stopped before it becomes something MORE.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
He later captures the duty to defend facts: "The obvious, the silly and the true had got to be defended. Truisms are true, hold on to that!
unfortunately, Faux News has cooked so many brains some people don't care as long as their cult is in power....
Car-Addicted wroteYou haven't got face recognition cams yet probably, they are now used in crime ridden spots over here like in Croydon, GB.What could possibly go wrong? I'm astounded that this has gotten this far. We have mobile devices that spy and track us and we have newer cars that monitor our "alertness" and track us and now we have license readers on a national network that track us. George Orwell could never have dreamed this up.
Flock Safety claims a 93% accuracy rate for its automated license plate readers (ALPR). However, independent evaluations, such as those from surveillance research firm IPVM, and watchdog agencies measure the read error and false-positive rates at roughly 10%.
Because Flock systems query multi-state databases, these reading errors—or state misidentifications—can result in false hotlist alerts.
don't know if any one posted this yet, but it is getting crazier....
check out what they are doing in Texas now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-texas-police-spent-4-5-million-on-four-chevy-tahoes
check out what they are doing in Texas now
https://www.thedrive.com/news/how-texas-police-spent-4-5-million-on-four-chevy-tahoes
New Boss, Same as the old Boss!
Cities Are Ditching Flock Safety Cameras – Then Hiring Axon to Do the Same Job
Key Takeaways
The LAPD’s own inspector general flagged alarming rates of false stolen-vehicle alerts from Flock cameras — meaning officers were pulling over innocent people because an algorithm misread a plate.
Axon spent years partnering with Flock to feed plate data into its in-car systems. In early 2025, it ended that partnership and launched direct competitors: Axon Outpost, a pole-mounted camera, and Axon Lightpole, a streetlight retrofit built with Ubicquia — the same smart-streetlight vendor Flock uses, according to Forbes. The pitch to cities is deliberate: similar capability, tighter contract terms, and seamless integration with existing body cams and the Evidence.com cloud platform.
https://www.gadgetreview.com/cities-are-ditching-flock-safety-cameras-then-hiring-axon-to-do-the-same-job
Cities Are Ditching Flock Safety Cameras – Then Hiring Axon to Do the Same Job
Key Takeaways
- 53 cities dropped Flock Safety cameras only to install Axon plate readers as replacements.
- Flock scanned plates linked to alleged crimes less than 1% of the time, surveilling nearly everyone.
- State laws mandating short data retention offer the only protection surviving vendor swaps.
The LAPD’s own inspector general flagged alarming rates of false stolen-vehicle alerts from Flock cameras — meaning officers were pulling over innocent people because an algorithm misread a plate.
Axon spent years partnering with Flock to feed plate data into its in-car systems. In early 2025, it ended that partnership and launched direct competitors: Axon Outpost, a pole-mounted camera, and Axon Lightpole, a streetlight retrofit built with Ubicquia — the same smart-streetlight vendor Flock uses, according to Forbes. The pitch to cities is deliberate: similar capability, tighter contract terms, and seamless integration with existing body cams and the Evidence.com cloud platform.
https://www.gadgetreview.com/cities-are-ditching-flock-safety-cameras-then-hiring-axon-to-do-the-same-job
Flock Safety Network Exceeds 100,000 Cameras as Officers Resign Over Misuse and Cities Cancel Contracts Over Data Sharing
https://x.com/OrwellDay/status/2079353838729851364?s=20
https://x.com/OrwellDay/status/2079353838729851364?s=20
Is anyone surprised that a private Corp is selling data collected secondarily to their primary stated purposes?
That's their primary unstated purpose.
That's their primary unstated purpose.
This just get worse.
They are now hiding the Flock ALPR cameras in speed display trailers. For your safety of course.
https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/2079981064542425315?s=20
They are now hiding the Flock ALPR cameras in speed display trailers. For your safety of course.
https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/2079981064542425315?s=20
ShocknAwe wroteThats how all of those entities make their money. Its rather scary.Is anyone surprised that a private Corp is selling data collected secondarily to their primary stated purposes?
That's their primary unstated purpose.
Flock hatred might be what unites the world. I never heard from anyone in the general public that is fine with this. Across all spectrums.
pz619 wroteToss in a growing and bipartisan hatred of data centers and we may just make it as a country. Read that even Abbot had to cave to political pressure and put a hold on these monsters. No such luck (yet) here in the most proudly stupid and unhealthy state in the union.Flock hatred might be what unites the world. I never heard from anyone in the general public that is fine with this. Across all spectrums.
To be fair, we are in a race to the bottom with Mississippi and Alabama on these metrics.
